American Politics 3.0 - Back to Brunch

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Yep, a classic centrist bill that screws over the poor and working class by freezing spending on social safety nets, while not placing any limits on defense-spending is terrific news for Americans.

Great job as usual, centrists!

I'm not saying that defense military spending is the most efficient way to up lift the poor but it is a sad truth that the military is about the best route into the lower middle class for black and Hispanic Americans, it provides vast amounts of free education and healthcare and has always been one of the few places in the US a black kid would be treated reasonably fairly even back in the 50's and 60's.

[nfotiu]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Let's breakdown this nonsense line by line.



This wasn't the only alternative. Biden could have attempted to use the 14th amendment.

The concept of the debt ceiling is absurd, and it would be nice if it could go away, but that's not where we're at. I don't know that anyone knows if the 14th amendant could have worked and stood legal challenges, and I don't think it is worth the risk.

Always love drawing an equivalence between people who want to reduce inequality in the world and literal Nazis. No historical precedent of anything bad happening when centrists do that.

Obviously the fringe right are terrible people and the fringe left aren't. The issue I have with the fring left is that they at times hurt their own cause. I don't have issues with most of the things they want. But wanting does not get things done. Working for big, unrealistic change can get in the way of progress.

It is. Literally.

https://www.theweathernetwork.com/en...year-on-record

https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/im...american-skies

Yeah, that's bad and something should be done about that. Letting the country go into default is not going to help resolve that.

Strawman fallacy.

You were saying that world has been on fire since Reagan was president. I took the implication that it is so bad that it doesn't really matter if the country defaults.

Sounds like your view from the suburbs might not be great.


If you're wealthy and able-bodied enough, yes.

Maybe, but a default isn't going to help anyone.

Weird that the Democrats also had to give concessions when they controlled the House. Also weird that they never force Republicans into concessions.

The Republicans have control now, and they had to agree to something that could get some Democrat support. Isn't that the democrats forcing Republicans into concessions?

No, they haven't. They caved to the threat of the freedom caucus, and now millions of Americans will suffer as a result.

Also, imagine thinking "no net new discretionary spending" is a "moderate" position, regardless if it's Democrat or Republican.

I don't see it that way. McCarthy ended up ignoring their demands.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by nfotiu

The concept of the debt ceiling is absurd, and it would be nice if it could go away, but that's not where we're at. I don't know that anyone knows if the 14th amendant could have worked and stood legal challenges, and I don't think it is worth the risk.

The Democrats could have also developed workarounds when they had control of the House. It's not like it wasn't obvious that the GOP were going to run this play if they seized control again.

The issue I have with the fring left is that they at times hurt their own cause. I don't have issues with most of the things they want. But wanting does not get things done. Working for big, unrealistic change can get in the way of progress.

Because we're past the point where incremental changes are going to have the desired effect. To use a sports analogy, the Democratic Party is constantly kicking the ball away and playing for field position, late in the 4th quarter, when they're down by 10 points.

You were saying that world has been on fire since Reagan was president. I took the implication that it is so bad that it doesn't really matter if the country defaults.

No, my point was that centrist policies largely resulted in worsening outcomes for poor and working-class Americans. This, combined with the Republicans continuing to move right, the abolishment of the Fairness Doctrine and the establishment of a conservative/neoliberal media hegemony, has led us to where we are today (i.e. on the precipice of a complete Christofascist takeover).

[calculoso]

Incoming boycott of NASCAR?

https://twitter.com/user/status/1664301175645118464

[timun]

NASCAR can probably sell a crapload of merch that intolerant hillbillies will destroy in protest.

[FormerPresJamesTaylor]

Oh boy, NASCAR is about to go broke

[GirlySports]

Hope NASCAR makes new fans!

The boycott crowd is soon not gonna have a place to eat, car to drive, beer to drink, or a sport to watch.

[Bonded]

https://old.reddit.com/r/TikTokCring..._own_the_libs/
Lol, Nascar fueled by gay fuel

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by calculoso

Incoming boycott of NASCAR?

https://twitter.com/user/status/1664301175645118464

Watching cars go round in a circle or be an utterly annoying ####bag?

The illusion of choice.

[jayswin]

nm

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by photon

House passes the debt ceiling deal 314 to 117. 165 Dems voted yes to 46 no, while among Republicans it was 149 yes to 71 no, 3 absent each.

I would think that if McCarthy survived this far it's not going to be in trouble after.

Originally Posted by nfotiu

Finally a win for the centrist moderates! We don't get much to celecbrate these days.

I don't understand your last sentence.

Originally Posted by troutman

So we put our hands up like the ceiling can't hold us
Like the ceiling can't hold us

Originally Posted by rubecube

Yep, a classic centrist bill that screws over the poor and working class by freezing spending on social safety nets, while not placing any limits on defense-spending is terrific news for Americans.

Great job as usual, centrists!

Lol at nfotiu and troutman. rubecube is 100% right.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Lol at nfotiu and troutman. rubecube is 100% right.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by calculoso

Incoming boycott of NASCAR?

https://twitter.com/user/status/1664301175645118464

This response was gold and could represent anytime I go on The Socials

https://twitter.com/user/status/1664301652248076288

[Fuzz]

It's frightening just how much God, Jesus and the bible are brought up in those responses. It's the favourite crutch of bigotry.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

It's frightening just how much God, Jesus and the bible are brought up in those responses. It's the favourite crutch of bigotry.

Such an awful religion. So embarrassing to see churches in every neighbourhood in Calgary, too. Can't imagine opting to indoctrinate myself and my children. WTactualF.

Can you imagine if you had to wait until somebody was 18 before you were allowed to indoctrinate them? The church would gone in literally one generation.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Such an awful religion. So embarrassing to see churches in every neighbourhood in Calgary, too. Can't imagine opting to indoctrinate myself and my children. WTactualF.

Can you imagine if you had to wait until somebody was 18 before you were allowed to indoctrinate them? The church would gone in literally one generation.

Child Sexual Assault rates would drop dramatically.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Child Sexual Assault rates would drop dramatically.

Are you suggesting going to old-man virgins with your deepest darkest secrets and handing total authority over your children to them is a bad idea? I'd like to see some evidence to back up such an outrageous claim.

[Wastedyouth]

So many blue check marks. I Remember when that meant something. Thank f*** i'm not on twitter anymore.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

It's frightening just how much God, Jesus and the bible are brought up in those responses. It's the favourite crutch of bigotry.

There's no hate quite like Christian love

[MRCboicgy]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

There's no hate quite like Christian love

The "I love gay people so much, hence why I aggressively call for them to repent."