Michael Ferland... What's the deal?

[crapshoot]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Obviously they'll come back to Earth, because they're scoring almost 90% of the goals when they're on the ice and I'm pretty confident they aren't the best line in the history of the sport. But they still appear to be a bona fide #1 line. And all three of them put together have roughly the same cap hit as Milan Lucic.

Hold on, where are they scoring the other 10% of their goals from?

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

GOSH FINE.

Almost 90% of the goals that are scored when their line is on the ice are scored by Carolina.

[Travis Munroe]

Ferland was one of my favorite flames and what he had to battle off the ice as well as who he seemed to be as a person and the maturity will always sit well with me.

He is entering his prime although his prime will be shorter than the average player considering his style. Think Lucic, putting up 30 in his 4th full year for 62 points, again the following year and then starting to decline. He was also being paid just over 4m 8 years ago which translates to a nice payday for Ferland on the horizon.

Ferland at 30 goals and 60 points for 5+m per year and most likely a 6 year deal or Lindholm at 4.85 for the next 6 years.... Lindholm seems much more sustainable to me so while we lost a great player and individual, it was great asset management as Ferland will unfortunately be the whipping boy in some city in 4-5 years just as Lucic is (my opinion).

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by madmike

It sort of sucks to see him doing so well, but at the same time he's going to be a UFA and frankly with Tkachuk's deal coming up, the Flames likely wouldn't be able to afford a UFA Ferland contract.

It would only suck if the players the Flames acquired weren't doing well.
But since the trade involved a team in the other conference, and two players that are quite likable as people, then I see nothing about Ferland doing well that sucks.



When you are making a deal with a team from the other conference, finding a win-win is a good thing not a bad thing!



What has sucked is when the Flames traded players who performed well elsewhere while the guys we got back just sucked.



No need to cite examples as we are all way too familiar with them

[SuperMatt18]

I do wonder if we see Svechnikov moved up to that line at some point too.

If I'm Carolina I'm seeing if Ferland continues to produce away from Line 1 - just to see if I should give him a contract.

And IMO long term Svechnikov is that first line RW next to Aho and Teravainen.

[CroFlames]

No matter how well (or not well) he does this season, he's UFA at the end. Signing him probably ends up bad for the Flames, trading him midseason probably doesn't get you a fair return, and letting him walk sucks because he's a player the Flames developed.



I'm glad he's someone else's UFA problem now. These types of inconsistent players can be scary to sign, especially when they are motivated in a contract year.



Flames got two great young RFA players in this trade, and frankly I think they win the trade hands down.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by madmike

It sort of sucks to see him doing so well, but at the same time he's going to be a UFA and frankly with Tkachuk's deal coming up, the Flames likely wouldn't be able to afford a UFA Ferland contract.

While Ferland probably was a necessary add for acquiring Lindholm in that specific trade, I don't see how this is a valid statement. The Flames signed 3/4C Derek Ryan and 3RW James Neal to a total of $8.875M/Yr (equivalent to the cap hits owed to of each of Crosby, Stamkos, and Draisaitl). Keeping Ferland would have impacted the ability to liberally make these depth signings, not Matthew Tkachuk. You could afford Tkachuk and Ferland, but you'd have to have found another avenue to find a right handed shot forward for the power play to fill the gaping Versteeg hole (though I can't help but wonder if Czarnik would presently be doing pretty well with Tkachuk, Monahan, and Gaudreau on PP1 while Ferland lit it up at ES).

[ForeverFlameFan]

Wish him the best, but two controlled RFA’s for a pending UFA and a player that isn’t even a top pairing D anymore without Gio doesn’t have me missing him too much.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Yep, that's the only thing that matters as far as the Canes' success goes. They'll be a good team apart from goaltending, and goaltending will either allow them to parlay that into a playoff spot or it'll sink them as usual.

That being said, when you realize where their top line came from, there's no reason it should be as good as it is. Aho was a 2nd round pick, Teravainen was a bargain bin acquisition because the Hawks couldn't afford to keep anyone and he wound up on the discard pile, and Ferland was the extra piece coming back in a trade that was heavily focused on three players. Hell, on the day the trade was made, I'd say he was a less significant chip than Fox was, from the Calgary perspective. I know who I heard more complaints about losing.

Obviously they'll come back to Earth, because they're scoring almost 90% of the goals when they're on the ice and I'm pretty confident they aren't the best line in the history of the sport. But they still appear to be a bona fide #1 line. And all three of them put together have roughly the same cap hit as Milan Lucic.

Terevainen was a well regarded player that was the cost of dumping the cap hit for bickell. It was a hefty price at the time.

Terevainen is a good player. Scored 64 points last year.

[Fire]

Originally Posted by Travis Munroe

Ferland at 30 goals and 60 points for 5+m per year and most likely a 6 year deal or Lindholm at 4.85 for the next 6 years.... Lindholm seems much more sustainable to me so while we lost a great player and individual, it was great asset management as Ferland will unfortunately be the whipping boy in some city in 4-5 years just as Lucic is (my opinion).

If Ferland can get 30 goals and 60 points he could be getting close to $7 million a season as an UFA. They just need one team to believe he can maintain that level of play.

[pepper24]

I wonder how much of the rumor that it was supposed to be Bennett not Ferland to Carolina is true. If so, did Canes not want Bennett or did Flames not want to give him up.

[Beninho]

I’ll take the younger better 2 way player. I really like Ferland and I’m happy to see him doing well in Carolina.

[cannon7]

Hope he gets a big raise... in the East.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by pepper24

I wonder how much of the rumor that it was supposed to be Bennett not Ferland to Carolina is true. If so, did Canes not want Bennett or did Flames not want to give him up.

I hadn't heard this.

[Macho0978]

I think this all comes down to ice time and more importantly ice time on the power play. Ferland is getting almost 3 minutes per game on the PP and with the first PP. Gully hardly ever gave him first PP minutes

[The Boy Wonder]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I hadn't heard this.

What I heard was that it was supposed to be Bennett Hamilton.

The meeting with Fox's agent changed Tre's mind and he realized he had to send Fox. He made the decision that Fox + Ferland is more or less equal to Bennett and that was fair for the return we were getting.


In terms of Ferland, I loved the player when he played hard and physical, but he was all too often very comparable to Rene Bourque, he could absolutely dominate a game, or even a stretch of games, and then go absolutely silent.

I hope he gets paid this offseason, contract year and all, but I think i'm still very happy with the trade the way it went

[dino7c]

I have been critical of Bennett but if that's true I'm glad they sent Ferland instead.

[Travis Munroe]

Would have been a huge mistake to go Bennett over Ferland and Fox!

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by The Boy Wonder

What I heard was that it was supposed to be Bennett Hamilton.

The meeting with Fox's agent changed Tre's mind and he realized he had to send Fox. He made the decision that Fox + Ferland is more or less equal to Bennett and that was fair for the return we were getting.


In terms of Ferland, I loved the player when he played hard and physical, but he was all too often very comparable to Rene Bourque, he could absolutely dominate a game, or even a stretch of games, and then go absolutely silent.

I hope he gets paid this offseason, contract year and all, but I think i'm still very happy with the trade the way it went

If true, the value of Fox in that trade is the difference between Ferland and Bennett. That will be interesting to track.

[Travis Munroe]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

If true, the value of Fox in that trade is the difference between Ferland and Bennett. That will be interesting to track.

The value of Fox was nearly 0 to Calgary and would most likely be similar to any team he is being traded to unless they had a chance at re-signing Fox.

If Carolina insisted on Fox being in the deal then I am glad Tre switched up Bennett with Ferland as he made it seem like it was evening things out but in all reality, he saved the player with higher potential by dumping a guy we would never have seen dress. Another great asset management play!