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Old 10-26-2020, 05:50 PM   #2941
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The rule changes are confusing as is, so I'd imagine this will just add to it.

Does anyone have a chart that shows the hospitalization rates the last month since the case count started ramping up? Maybe per province?
Robson Fletcher does a great job of all covid stats, for Alberta.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...ions-1.5514947
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The rule changes are confusing as is, so I'd imagine this will just add to it.

Does anyone have a chart that shows the hospitalization rates the last month since the case count started ramping up? Maybe per province?
They've got them here, for Alberta:
https://www.alberta.ca/stats/covid-1...statistics.htm
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Old 10-26-2020, 06:02 PM   #2943
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They've got them here, for Alberta:
https://www.alberta.ca/stats/covid-1...statistics.htm
the tricky thing of course- not sure if its covered in this data is that there have been a few outbreaks inside of hospitals- now I'm not downplaying that- that's a total disaster and needs to be avoided at all costs, but it does impact the interpretation of the data (I think?). did you get covid in the community and need hospitalization or were you in the hospital and got covid


both are bad outcomes of course but maybe measuring different things?
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I own a gym (or a boutique fitness to be specific). Earlier in July we had two positive cases walk through our doors, we shut down for 6 days and had zero transmission after asking anybody who were in those classes to get tested. It was great to see that with proper protocols in place, spread can be limited. The fact is it’s inevitable for positive cases to be walking through doors at any business, home, or private gathering currently. The success story was that we can live variations of our normal lives if we are smart and follow protocols.

Business owners have the most to lose by shutdowns, or perceived lack of safety if an outbreak occurs. So most are taking extreme precautions to operate safely. And when you are in public or in a business, you are much more careful around strangers in terms of wearing your mask, keeping distance, and washing hands etc....

I see your story as more of a success story again for the businesses, as their aren’t many businesses listed as outbreaks currently in Alberta. However, the spread within your household actually came from people dropping their guard around loved ones and friends. It’s easy to say “Aw #### it, give me a hug” and that’s what’s concerning now which is why they’ve set up this limit on private social gatherings.
Yes, this bolded is true. Congrats on having such a good policy and systems in place to keep your clients safe and confident when they are at your establishment.

And since I know more about the transmission than I exactly posted here, I also know the people are spreading it in "social" situations. The outbreaks for my examples did not happen at the gym, or the pub (although that pub did have to close due to outbreak), but rather they happened within family/social visits. The outbreaks would not have happened if the initial infected people had not gone to the gym, nor the pub.
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Old 10-26-2020, 06:30 PM   #2945
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this is what the website says:

"Limit your cohorts to no more than 3: your core household, your school, and one other sport or social cohort"

It isn't school or sport. Never has been. It's sport or social.
Then what was that voluntary message about only belonging to 3 cohorts:

1. Core, household
2. Small exclusive group of friends/family
3. One additional (sport, school)

Thats confusing.
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Old 10-26-2020, 06:41 PM   #2946
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Then what was that voluntary message about only belonging to 3 cohorts:

1. Core, household
2. Small exclusive group of friends/family
3. One additional (sport, school)

Thats confusing.
I think that was reporter shorthand on twitter. Someone here in the thread clarified it's school plus 1 other (e.g. sport).
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Old 10-26-2020, 06:43 PM   #2947
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Yes, the core cohort is your household and a small group of family / friends you are exclusive with. It should not be listed as two separate things.
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There have been 1,440 cases of COVID-19 reported in Alberta over the last three days. There were 1,151 cases reported in June.
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Old 10-26-2020, 06:48 PM   #2949
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There have been 1,440 cases of COVID-19 reported in Alberta over the last three days. There were 1,151 cases reported in June.
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Does anybody know the case positivity for the month of June? Would hopefully put to rest the "but we're testing more" meme.

EDIT: Eye-balling it, I'm guessing around 6,000 tests per day for the month so around 0.6% versus 4% now? Yesh.

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Old 10-26-2020, 06:52 PM   #2950
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Then what was that voluntary message about only belonging to 3 cohorts:

1. Core, household
2. Small exclusive group of friends/family
3. One additional (sport, school)

Thats confusing.
Not if you live alone, have no friends and have no social activities.


Now if you’ll excuse me, I’m going to hug my cat.
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or restaurants. They've restriction indoor gatherings to 10 people. More restrictions are on the way.

That's just not true. There are four zones inside Ontario that moved back to a form of Stage 2: Toronto, Peel, Halton, and York. Of the roughly 850 cases today, 650 are in those regions.


Granted, those are the most populous regions in Ontario, but in every other zone, gyms and restaurants and what not are still open. And no other zone's numbers are even approaching those 4. The next highest is just a little more than half of the 4th highest zone.
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There have been 1,440 cases of COVID-19 reported in Alberta over the last three days. There were 1,151 cases reported in June.
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Still only 16 in ICU in the province which I kind of expected to explode upwards after Thanksgiving but looks like most people again followed the rules so really nice to see that we haven't even hit our peak of 22 in ICU.

So long as we keep that down to 4-22 like we have this entire pandemic then we as a province should continue to be in great shape especially since Kenney said we could expand upwards to 1081 ICU beds if need be.
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Old 10-26-2020, 09:53 PM   #2953
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So I went to Walmart at Deerfoot City this evening.

The people greeter there said “ Hi There, Walmart would like to offer you a free Covid 19 vaccine”.

I entered the store wearing a mask, and wearing it correctly, and social distancing.

I know what my response was, what would yours be?

I wish I was making this up.

Sorry if this is the wrong thread for this because it could definitely go in three other threads too.
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I am in Kelowna right now, and for the life of me, I think the people here didn’t know there is a pandemic. Virtually no masks being worn indoors at coffee shops or malls. It is a stark difference to Calgary.
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I am in Kelowna right now, and for the life of me, I think the people here didn’t know there is a pandemic. Virtually no masks being worn indoors at coffee shops or malls. It is a stark difference to Calgary.
This lack of mask use might explain why BC has 26 ICU cases as opposed to only 16 in ICU in Alberta. The population difference is 5.1 million for BC and 4.4 for Alberta so using those you would expect just 18 or at most 19 ICU cases in BC. Just looking to find the data on interior of BC stats and see if they are having a lot of transmission and ICU cases around Kelowna.
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This lack of mask use might explain why BC has 26 ICU cases as opposed to only 16 in ICU in Alberta. The population difference is 5.1 million for BC and 4.4 for Alberta so using those you would expect just 18 or at most 19 ICU cases in BC. Just looking to find the data on interior of BC stats and see if they are having a lot of transmission and ICU cases around Kelowna.

Maybe if life were a spreadsheet.
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Maybe if life were a spreadsheet.
I know it doesn't sound like much but if you use 18 then the increase to 26 is 44.4% higher than expected number which is statistically significant. Maybe Albertan's handled Thanksgiving much better than our BC counterparts?
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Still only 16 in ICU in the province which I kind of expected to explode upwards after Thanksgiving but looks like most people again followed the rules so really nice to see that we haven't even hit our peak of 22 in ICU.

So long as we keep that down to 4-22 like we have this entire pandemic then we as a province should continue to be in great shape especially since Kenney said we could expand upwards to 1081 ICU beds if need be.
The ICU lags infection dates. I'd wait a week or 2 more before making any conclusions about Thanksgiving.
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I know it doesn't sound like much but if you use 18 then the increase to 26 is 44.4% higher than expected number which is statistically significant. Maybe Albertan's handled Thanksgiving much better than our BC counterparts?
Really? What's the p-value?
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