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dino7c · 08-19-2021, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

The Oilers actually made some good moves in my opinion. Don't like the Hyman contract, but he does make them better. Ryan instead of Khaira is an upgrade. They kept Barrie who would actually be a top pairing defenseman on the Flames, as sad as that is. Foegele makes them a little tougher as well.

I still can't believe they are banking on Mike Smith to carry them again though.

We will see how improved the Oilers are compared to the Flames

Barrie scores PP points with McDavid, he is terrible defensively

Tanev/Hanifin are miles better

Enoch Root · 08-19-2021, 12:52 PM

Barrie led all defensemen in points last year. And Nurse was 2nd in goals. What did that get them?

And what are the chances that both are as productive this year?

FlamesAddiction · 08-19-2021, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

We will see how improved the Oilers are compared to the Flames

Barrie scores PP points with McDavid, he is terrible defensively

Tanev/Hanifin are miles better

OK, I take it back. He would be useful on the Flames and would get a lot of minutes, but wouldn't technically be on the top pairing.

GioforPM · 08-19-2021, 12:57 PM

I liked the idea of Barrie here, but not top pairing, and not at the contract he got.

Sandman · 08-19-2021, 12:58 PM

Fact still remains that Edmonton got better-I agree with FlamesAddiction. We can debate his contract, but Hyman will be huge for them. I've always liked Foegele, he's a capable power-forward, and Ryan will be very useful.

GioforPM · 08-19-2021, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Sandman

Fact still remains that Edmonton got better-I agree with FlamesAddiction. We can debate his contract, but Hyman will be huge for them. I've always liked Foegele, he's a capable power-forward, and Ryan will be very useful.

Hyman won’t be huge for them unless they actually run two lines and separate McDrai. If they end up with those two on a line, with Hyman, Yamamoto, Kassian or whoever, their net goals don’t increase much, if at all, and they are still the same easily checked one line team they were before. There’s only one puck.

Enoch Root · 08-19-2021, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Sandman

Fact still remains that Edmonton got better-I agree with FlamesAddiction. We can debate his contract, but Hyman will be huge for them. I've always liked Foegele, he's a capable power-forward, and Ryan will be very useful.

Better at forward, worse on D. No change on goaltending (which is a huge risk)

Sandman · 08-19-2021, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Better at forward, worse on D. No change on goaltending (which is a huge risk)

Yeah that's true-I forgot about what happened with their D.

Erick Estrada · 08-19-2021, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Barrie led all defensemen in points last year. And Nurse was 2nd in goals. What did that get them?

And what are the chances that both are as productive this year?

The chances are as good as McDavid and Draisaitl can stay healthy. They will both get their 100+ points and that's going to inflate the stats of all players that are on the ice with them. Hyman barring injury (is injury prone) will likely have a career season. As much as I hate them they will have it easier than the Flames because they can score their way to wins which really helps when playing teams below them in the standings (it's how they dominated the Senators). That said as has been repeated several times their goaltending could sink them.

topfiverecords · 08-19-2021, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Better at forward, worse on D. No change on goaltending (which is a huge risk)

They're going to have to win 7-6 instead of 6-5 now.

DeluxeMoustache · 08-19-2021, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by GioforPM

I liked the idea of Barrie here, but not top pairing, and not at the contract he got.

I was really surprised at the contract Barrie got, but in the other direction. Generally PP QBs get paid decently.

Barrie has 394 points in 610 games and got 3 x 4.5
Hamilton has 341 pts in 607 games and got 7 yrs x 9 million

I know Hamilton is about 6 or 7 inches taller, but he doesn’t really utilize his size

I can only assume the experience of living in Edmonton is soul crushing and broke Barrie, demoralizing him enough that he has some kind of Stockholm syndrome

Sandman · 08-19-2021, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

I was really surprised at the contract Barrie got, but in the other direction. Generally PP QBs get paid decently.

Barrie has 394 points in 610 games and got 3 x 4.5
Hamilton has 341 pts in 607 games and got 7 yrs x 9 million

I know Hamilton is about 6 or 7 inches taller, but he doesn’t really utilize his size

I can only assume the experience of living in Edmonton is soul crushing and broke Barrie, demoralizing him enough that he has some kind of Stockholm syndrome

I think the main difference is that Dougie can play defence, whereas Barrie sucks in his own end. Hamilton is also capable of putting up points 5 vs 5.

Macho0978 · 08-19-2021, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Sandman

I think the main difference is that Dougie can play defence, whereas Barrie sucks in his own end. Hamilton is also capable of putting up points 5 vs 5.

Tyson Barrie has also played his whole career on the PP with Mcdavid & Drasaitl, Mackinnon & Rantanen or Mathews & Marner.

DeluxeMoustache · 08-19-2021, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Sandman

I think the main difference is that Dougie can play defence, whereas Barrie sucks in his own end. Hamilton is also capable of putting up points 5 vs 5.

No argument that Barrie isn’t all that hot defensively.

I was often underwhelmed by Dougie’s D personally, though

And Barrie had 25 ES points to Hamilton’s 23

Canada 02 · 08-19-2021, 02:07 PM

"issues in his own end" vs "worst defensive blueliner in the league"

https://twitter.com/user/status/1420381037406916619

https://twitter.com/user/status/1420494042861801477

Macho0978 · 08-19-2021, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

No argument that Barrie isn’t all that hot defensively.

I was often underwhelmed by Dougie’s D personally, though

And Barrie had 25 ES points to Hamilton’s 23

Barrie also played around 80% of his 5 on 5 ice time with at least 1 of McDavid and Leon

Hamilton played almost 50% of his 5 on 5 ice time away from Svechnikov and Aho.

Hamilton's numbers away from the top 2 forwards in Carolina are unreal.

Barries are terrible.

Carolina is a deeper team so this is not all on Barrie and Hamilton but Barrie gets very sheltered ice time and gets to play on 3 teams who over the last 4 years are all in the top 9 PP's in the NHL all well over 21%. All 3 teams have been just as good with or without Barrie on the PP as well.

Barrie's contract is good but it isn't a huge steal

Hamilton contract isn't great but he is significantly better than Barrie

DeluxeMoustache · 08-19-2021, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Canada 02

"issues in his own end" vs "worst defensive blueliner in the league”

Wow, thanks for sharing that

I knew Barrie was not all that hot in his own zone, but yikes!

Maybe he should have been a winger or something

The Cobra · 08-19-2021, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Barrie led all defensemen in points last year. And Nurse was 2nd in goals. What did that get them?

In the playoffs as a second seed in the division.

Now I get that Barrie is terrible, but i do have him in a keeper fantasy league, so him staying in Edmonton is just fine and dandy like candy with me on so many levels.

dissentowner · 08-19-2021, 03:57 PM

Wtf is this? When did this thread become the Oilers thread?

Moneyhands23 · 08-19-2021, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by dissentowner

Wtf is this? When did this thread become the Oilers thread?

I think that all the threads will go a bit wonky over the next few weeks. With the weird offseason it's keeping us all interested when we should be outside and not thinking of hockey.

This feeling of an incomplete offseason so late in the summer is just unnatural