Friedman: Flames have begun extension talks with Gaudreau & Eichel speculation

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by keenan87

I wish there was some indication around what Buffalo is wanting from Calgary. So many random proposals but still no idea if there are a few key pieces and who they are.

Does anyone actually know if Buffalo is even talking to the Flames. I’ve seen nothing pointing towards that from anyone in the media.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Goriders

Does anyone actually know if Buffalo is even talking to the Flames. I’ve seen nothing pointing towards that from anyone in the media.

Then you have not been paying attention.

[Poison]

Originally Posted by Goriders

Does anyone actually know if Buffalo is even talking to the Flames. I’ve seen nothing pointing towards that from anyone in the media.

Shame.

[GettinIggyWithIt]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Buffalo likely doesn’t want Smith but they can’t send out $10M without taking a contract back. Lindholm >>> Smith as well

Smith is not a center so not sure that is what Buffalo wants. All we know is they want futures and are rebuilding.

If that's the case, I am thinking the Flames might be looking at two separate deals here. One, to deal Monahan and another to get Eichel. I feel like the final package for Eichel will be a 1st round pick in 22/23, a top d prospect, and a top forward prospect. Valimaki, Coronato and a 1st makes sense. Maybe they add another 2nd/3rd rounder. The longer this goes, the more likely that seems to me. Seems underwhelming for Buffalo but I am not just seeing teams lining up to overpay right now.

Timing is important then to have that deal in place and have another for Monahan to free up salary. Complete shot in the dark but that would at least make things exciting.

[Sofa GM]

I feel like Vegas is in the drivers seat on this one. Usually you start hearing rumblings of actual players when the deal is getting and the selling GM is trying to squeeze for a small upgrade in the assets coming back. No information, just a hunch.

[Nelson]

Originally Posted by Canada 02

Reilly Smith is a winger, 30 years old and a year away from UFA. Lindholm is in a completely different sphere

You know? I think I've made this exact same mistake in the past, thinking that Reilly Smith is a centre.

That's true. Lindholm is greatly superior regardless of position. I was just thinking that if Buffalo doesn't like Calgary's prospects and young players as much as Vegas', they might want a better established player to flip for more assets. That's what I meant when I said Tkachuk or Lindholm in the Smith slot. Can you imagine what Buffalo could get for Eichel if they got Tkachuk + from Calgary for Eichel and then flipped Tkachuk to St. Louis?

Who knows? I wish someone would give us some idea of what Buffalo wants from Calgary.

(Of course, if Buffalo is getting Tkachuk instead of Smith, the other three assets coming from Calgary would surely have to be much less.)

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Goriders

Does anyone actually know if Buffalo is even talking to the Flames. I’ve seen nothing pointing towards that from anyone in the media.

Friedman said on his last podcast the Flames are right in the middle of the Eichel mix. Pagnotta has mentioned the Flames as a team in the mix as well

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by Nelson

You know? I think I've made this exact same mistake in the past, thinking that Reilly Smith is a centre.

That's true. Lindholm is greatly superior regardless of position. I was just thinking that if Buffalo doesn't like Calgary's prospects and young players as much as Vegas', they might want a better established player to flip for more assets. That's what I meant when I said Tkachuk or Lindholm in the Smith slot. Can you imagine what Buffalo could get for Eichel if they got Tkachuk + from Calgary for Eichel and then flipped Tkachuk to St. Louis?

Who knows? I wish someone would give us some idea of what Buffalo wants from Calgary.

(Of course, if Buffalo is getting Tkachuk instead of Smith, the other three assets coming from Calgary would surely have to be much less.)

I agree with this, guessing Tre is pushing Monahan but that is unlikely due to his NMC. If Tkachuk is the asset then the add isn't much,

Tkachuk + Kylington + 2022 2nd (maybe 1st if had to)

For what we could get for Tkachuk elsewhere if it does go something like that then Tre should walk.

[The Cobra]

It wouldn't surprise me if Buffalo is only looking for futures from Calgary.

Calgary needs to move cap out, and Monny (while the preferred choice to move) would be difficult to do without taking some back.

Tkachuk would be easier to move for futures, except that there are only so many teams that can take on his entire cap hit without sending some back. ST. Louis would need to move Tarenseko to take on Tkachuk, but that's not easy either.

But if they could, Calgary could send Tkachuk to St Louis for the players discussed, and then move futures to Buffalo.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

If there’s a first involved it would also lean in the Flames direction. It’s not inconceivable it blows up spectacularly for Calgary, whereas Vegas their floor is likely picking in the 25 OA range.

Vegas just lost their Vezina-winning star goalie. I don't think it is inconceivable at all that they might take a few steps back this year and are picking a lot higher than #25.

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[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Vegas just lost their Vezina-winning star goalie. I don't think it is inconceivable at all that they might take a few steps back this year and are picking a lot higher than #25.

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It is certainly reasonable to think they might take a couple steps back. However, looking at the Pacific, a couple steps back still leaves them in 1st or 2nd in the division.

Vegas

Calgary
Edmonton

Vancouver
Seattle (who knows what they will be this year?)

Los Angeles
San Jose
Anaheim

There is only one sure playoff team in the whole division. And their pick is definitely a 20-30 pick (probably 25-30). Calgary's pick is almost certainly higher, and has the potential to be much higher.

[rhino]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

I feel like Vegas is in the drivers seat on this one. Usually you start hearing rumblings of actual players when the deal is getting and the selling GM is trying to squeeze for a small upgrade in the assets coming back. No information, just a hunch.

Vegas would have to clear some serious cap space

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

It is certainly reasonable to think they might take a couple steps back. However, looking at the Pacific, a couple steps back still leaves them in 1st or 2nd in the division.

Vegas

Calgary
Edmonton

Vancouver
Seattle (who knows what they will be this year?)

Los Angeles
San Jose
Anaheim

There is only one sure playoff team in the whole division.

I think you have LA far too low. They've brought in good veterans (Danault, Arvidsson, Edler) to compliment their pre-existing strengths (Kopitar, Brown, Doughty), and then have a number of significant young players breaking into the league.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I think you have LA far too low. They've brought in good veterans (Danault, Arvidsson, Edler) to compliment their pre-existing strengths (Kopitar, Brown, Doughty), and then have a number of significant young players breaking into the league.

I have a feeling everyone is going to be shocked in the Pacific this year. With LA, I think you see Anaheim take a significant jump as well.

[mikephoen]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

It is certainly reasonable to think they might take a couple steps back. However, looking at the Pacific, a couple steps back still leaves them in 1st or 2nd in the division.

Vegas

Calgary
Edmonton

Vancouver
Seattle (who knows what they will be this year?)

Los Angeles
San Jose
Anaheim

There is only one sure playoff team in the whole division. And their pick is definitely a 20-30 pick (probably 25-30). Calgary's pick is almost certainly higher, and has the potential to be much higher.

Yeah, the Pacific looks horrible. Maybe LA is ready to start moving back up?

But yeah, can't see any way Vegas isn't in the top 2 in the Pacific, even if they did get worse.

[Mr.Coffee]

Why is this trade not done yet

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

I have a feeling everyone is going to be shocked in the Pacific this year. With LA, I think you see Anaheim take a significant jump as well.

Just looking at LA's roster - I think they may be the 2nd/3rd best team in the division, and at least as of today I likely put the standings/groupings as:

Vegas
Edmonton
LA

Calgary
Seattle
Vancouver

San Jose
Anaheim

The Kings potentially have Kaliyev, Byfield, and Vilardi all really establishing themselves this year. They're also going to be supported by a number of very strong defensive players up front. I think the Kings are poised to impress.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

It is certainly reasonable to think they might take a couple steps back. However, looking at the Pacific, a couple steps back still leaves them in 1st or 2nd in the division.

Vegas

Calgary
Edmonton

Vancouver
Seattle (who knows what they will be this year?)

Los Angeles
San Jose
Anaheim

There is only one sure playoff team in the whole division. And their pick is definitely a 20-30 pick (probably 25-30). Calgary's pick is almost certainly higher, and has the potential to be much higher.

Kind of depends on Quick but I expect the Kings to take a step forward this year. So many great young players, a couple have to emerge for them and Kopitar is still pretty good.

Seattle decided they wanted to suck, so they will.

Flames under Sutter should be fighting for a playoff spot again, probably will make it.

I predict last place for San Jose.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I think you have LA far too low. They've brought in good veterans (Danault, Arvidsson, Edler) to compliment their pre-existing strengths (Kopitar, Brown, Doughty), and then have a number of significant young players breaking into the league.

They might move themselves up into the Vancouver range this year, but they need to prove it before getting a bump in their rank.

The point though, was that the Pacific is flat out garbage this year. And LA is a perfect example of the point. They are a team that has been in full rebuild for the past couple years and, with a little bit of improvement, could easily shoot right up into a playoff spot, or at least compete for one.

I expect the Flames and Oilers to be easy bets for the playoffs, simply due to the lack of competition, but if they stumble (VERY possible for both of them), it could be a 7 team race of basement dwellers vying for 3 playoff spots.

Remember when Vancouver won the west with a .500 record? We're talking that level of bad for the Pacific here.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Goriders

Does anyone actually know if Buffalo is even talking to the Flames. I’ve seen nothing pointing towards that from anyone in the media.

Further proof of your inability to read.