02-20-2021, 11:28 AM
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Backup Goalie
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: Calaway Park
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I miss Derek Ryan
That's it. That's the thread.
Though I will add a crumb of food for thought: the Flames are 4-1-1 with Derek Ryan playing 10:00+ minutes this season.
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02-20-2021, 11:29 AM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Calgary, AB
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Yeah...it’s led to a bunch of trickle effects too.
Not having Ryan on the PK has meant that Nordstrom/Froese have stayed in the lineup despite being useless at 5v5.
Ryan has been really effective at being able to manage the 4th line and be effective in limited minutes.
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02-20-2021, 11:34 AM
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Franchise Player
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Christ if Derick Ryan is the answer to this team , then flames are in worse shape than I thought.
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02-20-2021, 11:38 AM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Calgary
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Meh.
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02-20-2021, 11:41 AM
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Franchise Player
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Froese, Nordstrom, Simon, Ritchie and even to some extent Leivo are all getting big minutes and real looks on this team. Absolutely Ryan is a big upgrade. There also seems to be a big lack of faith in Gawdin and Phillips.
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02-20-2021, 12:08 PM
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Scoring Winger
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Ryan.. no please
He is showing his age and for a 4th line centre... he is definitely overpaid. Undersized
It’s time to move on and add size and/or speed
And someone who can throw body around
No more Mr Nice (soft) guys.. I think we have enough of them already
No more passive, laid back players please
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02-20-2021, 12:14 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: CGY
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Quote:
Originally Posted by simonarea
Ryan.. no please
He is showing his age and for a 4th line centre... he is definitely overpaid. Undersized
It’s time to move on and add size and/or speed
And someone who can throw body around
No more Mr Nice (soft) guys.. I think we have enough of them already
No more passive, laid back players please
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I don't think he's passive or laid back, just not flashy in the slightest. But he really doesn't make many mistakes, with the puck or without. I'd much prefer him over any of the new forwards.
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02-20-2021, 12:29 PM
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Ontario
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Stupid thread. Lol.
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02-20-2021, 12:38 PM
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First Line Centre
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I like Derek Ryan but it appears he is not long for the Flames, not under Geoff Ward anyways.
Ryan was coach Bill Peters jackknife (and 3rd line Centre) but Ward immediately reduced Ryan's minutes and demoted him to the 4th line.
I was hoping Ryan would get the call (because he had the most skill) to play right wing when Tkachuk went down during the playoffs but it was not to be, Rieder instead got the assignment.
Last edited by David Struch; 02-20-2021 at 12:41 PM.
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02-20-2021, 02:57 PM
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#1 Goaltender
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Quote:
Originally Posted by David Struch
I like Derek Ryan but it appears he is not long for the Flames, not under Geoff Ward anyways.
Ryan was coach Bill Peters jackknife (and 3rd line Centre) but Ward immediately reduced Ryan's minutes and demoted him to the 4th line.
I was hoping Ryan would get the call (because he had the most skill) to play right wing when Tkachuk went down during the playoffs but it was not to be, Rieder instead got the assignment.
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Come on man, if you’re gonna grill the Ward like this, at least be honest or not have your story fall apart so easily.
Derek Ryan after Ward took over for Peters:
41GP - 6 goals - 12 assists - 18 points - +5 - 14:45 ATOI
Or in other words, Derek Ryan was Geoff Ward’s 3rd line center and he put up virtually identical stats (pace) that he did in his previous years with Peters. It’s only this season where Backlund was dropped to the 3rd line that Derek Ryan’s role changed. If this team actually had a decent 4th line center, maybe Ryan could play wing. But if Froese is your only other option, then you better play someone as dependable as Ryan up the middle.
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02-20-2021, 03:06 PM
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: speculating about AHL players
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Ryan getting back to his level of play from the last two seasons would be critical in helping this team get on track. He was one of the better third-line centres in the league.
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02-20-2021, 03:21 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheScorpion
Ryan getting back to his level of play from the last two seasons would be critical in helping this team get on track. He was one of the better third-line centres in the league.
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Unlikely to happen. Just one more consequence of the determination that Lindholm was playing C.
Not in line with how the roster is built
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02-20-2021, 03:33 PM
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheScorpion
Ryan getting back to his level of play from the last two seasons would be critical in helping this team get on track. He was one of the better third-line centres in the league.
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Please show stats that Derrek Ryan is one of the better third line centres in the league...
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02-21-2021, 01:29 AM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Calgary
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If taking Derek Ryan out of the lineup can cause this many issues I think we have bigger problems to worry about.
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02-21-2021, 01:54 AM
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Not a casual user
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: A simple man leading a complicated life....
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We don't have an elite player or 2 on this team that can carry this team to victory. It's going to take a hell of a lot more than Ryan to right this ship. Hard work, discipline and a comittment from each an every player is what we need and have not been getting.
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02-21-2021, 04:06 PM
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It’s that determination to slot Lindholm at C, and the way the roster is built. 6+ centres, no top line RWs
Lindholm at C was intended to give 2 centres to play against opposing top lines (Backlund and Lindholm) and then to allow the Flames to exploit other matchups with Gaudreau and Monahan
Instead what you have is
- 2C Backlund at 3C , getting less out of him
- 3C Ryan at 4C, getting less out of him
- 13 and 23 with a scrub winger, getting less out of them
- 19 and 28, who really don’t seem to work all that great together
And guess what? Most other teams have someone lined up to do the checking duties against Monahan and Gaudreau, and it’s not their top line players, against whom the Flames are playing Backs and Lindholm. So he’s got a new, worse 13-23 line, getting probably the exact same matchup they would be getting anyway
It’s basically comical at this point
Last edited by DeluxeMoustache; 02-21-2021 at 08:17 PM.
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02-21-2021, 08:15 PM
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Franchise Player
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Ryan makes the team better. It doesn’t mean the team wouldn’t still be struggling, but he’s better than any other 4C we’ve played since he got injured. He also kills penalties, which takes the pressure off Backlund and Lindholm, and means that a guy like Nordstrom doesn’t necessarily need to be in the lineup every night.
He can also play up in the lineup, and part of me wonders how the lines might have changed when (i) Backlund got injured, and (ii) Monahan got injured.
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02-21-2021, 08:34 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tvp2003
Ryan makes the team better. It doesn’t mean the team wouldn’t still be struggling, but he’s better than any other 4C we’ve played since he got injured. He also kills penalties, which takes the pressure off Backlund and Lindholm, and means that a guy like Nordstrom doesn’t necessarily need to be in the lineup every night.
He can also play up in the lineup, and part of me wonders how the lines might have changed when (i) Backlund got injured, and (ii) Monahan got injured.
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This, plus he just might have been a RH option on the Monahan line, if they wanted to go with another defensive minded C/RW like Lindholm.
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