Off Season Trade rumours thread - Brodie, Frolik, Stone etc. Only

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Since he almost traded Brodie for Kadri which would have resulted in no cap room gained, and with Neal/Stone likely holding no value, he must have something in the hopper for Frolik.

I still think Brodie gets dealt for a top 6 forward this summer.

Seems almost a certainty Frolik gets dealt for anything not involving salary. Flames need the cap room. Frolik likely wants a change of scenery and I’m not sure the coach wants him back.

[TheScorpion]

Trading Ryan would be a terrible idea. He's one of the Flames' most valuable players in that he can almost always be counted on for secondary offense when the top guys get cold.

[1qqaaz]

Who do we think would want Frolik while also having cap space for him?

Maybe the Blue Jackets, Islanders or Flyers?
I think he'd look good on the Blue Jackets.

[Rando]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Trading Ryan would be a terrible idea. He's one of the Flames' most valuable players in that he can almost always be counted on for secondary offense when the top guys get cold.

Derek Ryan had a fantastic second half and I know you like him but let's not overstate his value, he finished with six more points than the much maligned Mark Jankowski.

Jankowski had a better first half then faltered, Ryan was taken off the second PP for a stretch and was a healthy scratch. The two then switched. Jankowski looked lost in the last half of the season and Ryan really thrived with Hathaway and Mangiapane. But he cannot almost always be counted on. That focuses way too much on one stretch of the season.

Anyway my initial post about Ryan was thinking about the Kadri trade. With Kadri in that would move Backlund down to third center and Ryan down to 4th. And with the way Toronto liked him you'd have to think he might have been going the other way.

If the Flames are still hunting for another two way center to support Monahan, I think Ryan is still on the table.

[topfiverecords]

Part of Ryan's value is he finished 58.2% in faceoffs.

Lindholm 54.3%
Jankowski 52%
Monahan 51.1%
Backlund 49.6%

[timbit]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I doubt it but Ryan is far from a core piece so the Flames should not be afraid to make that deal. Janko has much more upside though and likely hasn’t come close to his ceiling. Really seems like a late bloomer.

How much longer will it take Jankowski to bloom? He is 25.

[Toonage]

Yeah I would figure Ryan (and Mangiapane) get a full time promotion to the 3L. Jankowski, if he is still with the team come this fall, assumes the 4LC role

[Rando]

Originally Posted by timbit

How much longer will it take Jankowski to bloom? He is 25.

No irony in the fact that post was also about Derek Ryan, who didn't step foot on NHL ice until the age of 29?

Hoping you don't infer I'm an idiot when replying to me this time!

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I think anti-Treliving sentiment is behind at least some of the constant references to Neal around here. And it was a bad move, in hindsight anyway. For me, I totally see why it happened, and even why it happened after the Brouwer business.

Of course, it's never mentioned that people expected Gaudreau and Gio to cost collectively about $4-7 million more than the actual contracts that got signed. These things have evened out to a fair degree.

Yeah, Treliving did a pretty good job last year in terms of contracts top to bottom. Some downright outstanding deals (Gaudreau, Gio, Lindholm), most at least fair value for money, and then the 2-3 duds. Can’t really blame him for those at the time of signing, but he ultimately is still accountable.

It is too bad, but comes the time where RFAs need to be paid. Last year was a sweet spot, and the team will probably get a touch worse when they make room.

But Tre should have been largely commended for the roster and contracts last year.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Part of Ryan's value is he finished 58.2% in faceoffs.

Lindholm 54.3%
Jankowski 52%
Monahan 51.1%
Backlund 49.6%

Yes, and also I recall Peters noting at one point down the stretch how long they had gone as a line without an even strength goal against.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by timbit

How much longer will it take Jankowski to bloom? He is 25.

I think he will likely have his prime at age 27-31. I don’t think the Flames need to necessarily wait. If the deal was Brodie+Janko+pick for Kadri I would have been pumped about that deal.

[timbit]

Originally Posted by Rando

No irony in the fact that post was also about Derek Ryan, who didn't step foot on NHL ice until the age of 29?

Hoping you don't infer I'm an idiot when replying to me this time!

Indeed, Only if you neglect that one was a first round pick and the other played in Europe for 7 years.

[Rando]

Originally Posted by timbit

Indeed, Only if you neglect that one was a first round pick and the other played in Europe for 7 years.

Not entirely sure why that matters at this point.

[timbit]

Originally Posted by Rando

Not entirely sure why that matters at this point.

Who is a more valuable player at this point?

I choose Ryan.

[Rando]

Ditto!

That doesn't answer nor address my reply, it's an almost puzzling response.

Still not sure why draft position matters now. Maybe Jankowski is a late bloomer, which was ironic in a reply talking about Ryan who was for sure one. One was drafted in the first round, one wasn't at all. I am neglecting that fact, because it doesn't matter.

What about you? Can you explain why it does? Why one has to factor that into either player now, in 2019?

[timbit]

One player, up to this point, is not compelled to playing through adversity, though gifted with 1st round status, and one player has excelled and proven it in a less than privileged way.

[PepsiFree]

Draft position is irrelevant at this point. There are exceptions to the general progression of a player, Ryan is one as well.

The question is: is Jankowski another Ryan? Or is how Joe Colborne? And how long do you wait to find out?

He’s definitely passed the point of having any reasonable shot at being a star. But there’s still a possibility of him being a really excellent bottom six player. He’s just gotta start putting it together, because unlike Ryan he’s in the NHL in his 20s, and instead of waiting for his first chance he’s using it up as we speak. He’s gotta make more of it.

[timbit]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Draft position is irrelevant at this point. There are exceptions to the general progression of a player, Ryan is one as well.

The question is: is Jankowski another Ryan? Or is how Joe Colborne? And how long do you wait to find out?

He’s definitely passed the point of having any reasonable shot at being a star. But there’s still a possibility of him being a really excellent bottom six player. He’s just gotta start putting it together, because unlike Ryan he’s in the NHL in his 20s, and instead of waiting for his first chance he’s using it up as we speak. He’s gotta make more of it.

Jankowski lacks the compete level. Ryan has it, though less skilled, he is more valuable.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by timbit

How much longer will it take Jankowski to bloom? He is 25.

Give him til the end of next season? He'll be north of 200 games, so he should have established the player he's going to be. We've given other players 300+ games to find their way and waited for other players into their mid-20s, so I think that is reasonable for a guy that took a non-traditional route to the NHL. No?

[timbit]

Originally Posted by New Era

Give him til the end of next season? He'll be north of 200 games, so he should have established the player he's going to be. We've given other players 300+ games to find their way and waited for other players into their mid-20s, so I think that is reasonable for a guy that took a non-traditional route to the NHL. No?

Yes, agreed.

However, don’t buy that the compete level is a maturity thing.

The comparison was Ryan, speaking of “non traditional “.