Again, it works for Republicans because they're a more homogeneous group and they all vote. The Democrats are a coalition, and when they aren't enthusiastic about a particular candidate a lot of them stay home.
Look, I want the Democrats to win in 2020. But they won't be helping their chances if they assume every Democrat has the values and priorities of liberal white college graduates.
Was there really any need for this thread? It seems like just an attempt to talk about gripes with the Democrats without it getting bogged down in the general US politics thread.
Whipping up people who already hate Trump to really really REALLY hate Trump will do nothing to help the Dems win the election.
That's not really what it's about. It's about explaining to the moderates/independents who voted for Trump in 2016 (and are currently on the fence about voting for him again in 2020) why voting for him again would be a mistake.
But indeed this thread needs to get back on topic, which is discussing the Democratic candidates. Joe Biden officially declared his candidacy today.
Was there really any need for this thread? It seems like just an attempt to talk about gripes with the Democrats without it getting bogged down in the general US politics thread.
Off topic thread. I love a thread that can be devoted to crapping on Democrats. We can make fun of Mr. Oh myy and Bernie.
Lol. Yeah, let's alienate women voters right off the bat.
Despite being a little handsy and not knowing personal space Biden's popularity, even with women, remains high. Even after the few stories surfaced last month. Polling from women voters barely dipped after that.
Not brushing aside some accusations but nothing remotely serious about Biden has surfaced. Hopefully it remains on him being unaware of personal space and away from the creepy stuff.
Joe Biden would be an excellent president. I'd be more worried about his age and health than if he alienated women, which doesn't seem to be a potential issue.
Despite being a little handsy and not knowing personal space Biden's popularity, even with women, remains high. Even after the few stories surfaced last month. Polling from women voters barely dipped after that.
Not brushing aside some accusations but nothing remotely serious about Biden has surfaced. Hopefully it remains on him being unaware of personal space and away from the creepy stuff.
Joe Biden would be an excellent president. I'd be more worried about his age and health than if he alienated women, which doesn't seem to be a potential issue.
Ehhh...if people bring up his past with Anita Hill and whatnot, which they will, it's not going to play well.
Was there really any need for this thread? It seems like just an attempt to talk about gripes with the Democrats without it getting bogged down in the general US politics thread.
Itll pick up steam once the primaries and debates get going. The thread is just to discuss the race.
I dont think we are crapping on Democrats, we want to discuss their campaigns.
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Lol. Yeah, let's alienate women voters right off the bat.
That right there is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. You know that Biden's touchy-feely past has alienated him from women voters because that's the narrative that has emerged from twitter and the media channels you use. But you're not taking into consideration that these channels are aimed at only a narrow slide of the electorate. A narrow slice even of Democrats.
Turns out Biden's history doesn't bother nearly as many people nearly as much as those media channels would have you think.
Biden not only leads the pack among Democrats, he still leads among women in the party, and by a wide margin (28% vs 17% for Sanders). His lead among black Democrats is even wider (40% vs 24% for Sanders).
Wait a second, only Conservative women and evangelical women can support a guy that admits to sexually assaulting women, without even asking. Liberal women better not support a guy that may not understand personal spaces, god willing.
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Wait a second, only Conservative women and evangelical women can support a guy that admits to sexually assaulting women, without even asking. Liberal women better not support a guy that may not understand personal spaces, god willing.
Liberal women can support whoever they want to. The ones I know living in the US are routing for Biden.
These false narratives like "Biden has alienated women" are a symptom of the social bubble many young, educated, white progressives live in.
And coming from someone that lives in one of those very bubbles is quite the damning statement.
I do find this statement absurd, especially since it was a media bubble, and a carefully crafted social media campaign by a foreign government, that won the election for Donald Trump.
The concept for the media bubble and the social media bubble, began with the rapid growth of the Tea Party. It was the accidental brain child of some conservative political activists in the Seattle area and was a call to arms to initially protest the American Re-investment and Recover Act of 2009 (the second bailout). Stated by Liberty Belle (Keli Carender) they began their crusade using social media as a platform to get their "protest" message out, and used the blogosphere to initially spread from conservative social network to conservative social network. The quick expansion and isolation of the message resonated with the like-minded consumers of the messages and it turned into a shampoo commercial (they told two friends, then they told two friends, and so on, and so on...).
Because the originators of the campaigns we already Republican operatives the message quickly became managed and the "rallies" became sponsored events by the likes of Americans for Prosperity and FreedomWorks - both activists arms of the Koch Industries charitable foundations and co funded by the likes of Exxon and Massey Mining. Other interests who injected large amounts of money into this growing "spontaneous grassroots political movement" were the Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation, Castlerock Foundation, the John M. Olin Foundation, the JM Foundation, and the Sarah Scaife Foundation, all well known funders of Republican initiatives. This was not a grassroots movement, and it was far from spontaneous, but it did establish the first beach head in the future war of social media and established the first true social media bubble.
Once the traditional media were engaged in the astroturf Tea Party movement, the first media bubble had been established. When Fox News, the Washington Examiner, the Beltway conservative publications, and the hate radio personalities got behind the messaging campaign (many of which had air time on Fox as well) the bubble was completed and resistant to other ideas or counter narratives. The information loop had been closed, and with it the minds of a large swath of Americans who would ultimately become the "base" of some of the most vile and divisive politics in American history.
This is "the bubble" that is so pervasive in American politics. Everything else is a by-product and a cheap copy. Many comparisons are just projection/deflection away from the massive closed loop that exists in the "heartland." Smaller bubbles have developed, but they are nothing like the bubble that encapsulates almost 45 million Americans, and is impervious to both reason and fact.
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That right there is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. You know that Biden's touchy-feely past has alienated him from women voters because that's the narrative that has emerged from twitter and the media channels you use. But you're not taking into consideration that these channels are aimed at only a narrow slide of the electorate. A narrow slice even of Democrats.
Turns out Biden's history doesn't bother nearly as many people nearly as much as those media channels would have you think.
Biden not only leads the pack among Democrats, he still leads among women in the party, and by a wide margin (28% vs 17% for Sanders). His lead among black Democrats is even wider (40% vs 24% for Sanders).
These false narratives like "Biden has alienated women" are a symptom of the social bubble many young, educated, white progressives live in.
I didn't say he alienated women already, but that his nomination likely would. The Democrats need both the college educated progressives + the other groups you've mentioned to win the election. You don't think if Biden wins the nomination that he's going to immediately have to go into defense mode once Trump and the GOP propaganda machine focuses solely on him? There's also plenty in his voting history as a centre that's going to alienate him from the pro-Bernie crowd. He's not as bad of a candidate as Hillary is because at least he's likable but he comes with a tonne of baggage.
Frankly, if the pro-Bernie crowd is going to do what it did last time, throw a tantrum and take their ball and go home because they don't get precisely what they want, this thing's over already. Because bending over backwards to placate that group is going to simply result in alienating the rest of the people who might be inclined to vote for whoever the Democratic candidate is.
From that perspective, Bernie might actually be the best choice, because he's automatically got those people on his side and can focus solely on selling himself to the blue collar crowd, rather than trying to fight a war on two fronts just to get the base to sign on.
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You don't think if Biden wins the nomination that he's going to immediately have to go into defense mode once Trump and the GOP propaganda machine focuses solely on him?
The same can be said for all the candidates. The GOP will make sure voters all know about Sanders' glad-handing with Castro and the Sandinistas, O'Rourke's drunk driving, etc.. It will hurt him with some voters, and others won't care.
Looking at the numbers among Democrats - a drop of less than 2 per cent support for Biden once his handsy history was picked up as a story - I doubt it will cause much of a stir in the wider voter-base. Moderates and independents care less about that stuff than liberal Democrats do.
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