The trials and tribulations of Glen Gulutzan

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Peter Loubardias‏ @fan960lou
The Flames being put through a practice to reinforce exactly how they are supposed to play. The original plan did not call for a practice at all

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What does this mean? How do the players still not know how they are supposed to play?

Either management has taken him aside and had a discussion or he's got that vibe from the building not unlike when layoffs are coming at your workplace when people get tight lipped. He's feeling heat and knows he has to do something sooner than later and a bag skate or additional practice is a lot easier for Gulutzan than bending or changing his philosophy/principles to which he may be prepared to go down with the ship rather than change. When you consider how poorly they have played defense all season this is something that needed to happen early November not into December where they have dropped out of a playoff spot.

[Cowboy89]

No more former Canuck trash on this team:

Mason Raymond = NG
Linden Vey = NG
Hunter ShinKaruk = NG
Matt Bartkowski = NG
Tanner Glass = NG
Eddie Lack = NG

Glen Gulutzan = NG

You always fail with the whale!

[Toonage]

nm

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Important to note that once the franchise abandoned Sutter hockey of not to lose they immediately dropped like a stone in league standings to tie their worst franchise finish ever. The guy who preached fluidity creativity and the instinctiveness was an abject failure and now plies his trade in Latvia.

The Sutter years are a cautionary tale.

You mean when the team finally admitted it needed to rebuild and was in the infancy of that rebuild? Of course they plummeted in the standings.

I'm not pining for the Hartley days (although I do think he was a good coach), but that so called abject failure of a coach also got the team its best playoff result since 2004. Call it a fluke if you want but for the hockey that matters it yielded better results than his predecessor or successor. The only cautionary tale from the B. Sutter days is when something clearly isn't working, don't hang on too long.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by DazzlinDino

Right but then the coaches throw out the 4th line players at the end of a game when we need a goal in the worst way. How is that on the players?

When was this again?

[stone hands]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

When was this again?

It’s easy to make baseless claims parroted on this site when you don’t actually watch the games because you’re too busy spending the entire game posting about how much you hate the flames

[browna]

Originally Posted by Cowboy89

No more former Canuck trash on this team:

Mason Raymond = NG
Linden Vey = NG
Hunter ShinKaruk = NG
Matt Bartkowski = NG
Tanner Glass = NG
Eddie Lack = NG

Glen Gulutzan = NG

You always fail with the whale!

Not always.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by stone hands

It’s easy to make baseless claims parroted on this site when you don’t actually watch the games because you’re too busy spending the entire game posting about how much you hate the flames

The latest I've seen the fourth line out recently was when Stajan took a fairly late penalty against Philly a few games ago. The Flames were not losing, it wasn't in the last two minutes (it was 17:59 at the end of a shift) and Stajan kinda got jobbed because the Flyer pinned his arm and fell down.

Arguably with a tie game, the fourth was out for minute 17 so the first, second and third lines could go hard in the last two minutes.

[Kovaz]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

When was this again?

I'll give him some credit: the 4th line's kept on the bench late in the 3rd of close games for the last week or two.

However, before that:

• Nov. 24th vs DAL: 4-4 game, 4th line vs. top line, they get scored 10 seconds into their shift after Versteeg and Brouwer lazily watch a clearing pass slide by them before Seguin picks it off, walks in, and snipes.
• Nov. 18th vs PHI: 4-4 game, 4th line gets a shift with 2 minutes left and Stajan takes a tripping penalty
• Nov. 5th vs NJ: 4-4 game, 4th line gets 3 shifts in the last 8 minutes while the 3rd line is stapled to the bench
• Nov. 2nd vs PIT: 1-0 lead, 4th line gets a shift with 3 minutes left, gets hemmed in our own zone. 3M + Gio-Hamilton start in their own zone the next shift, get scored on.

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

When was this again?

Originally Posted by stone hands

It’s easy to make baseless claims parroted on this site when you don’t actually watch the games because you’re too busy spending the entire game posting about how much you hate the flames

Hathaway was given extra shifts at the end of the game with johnny and Monny.
What confused me while it was happening was that Ferland was the odd man out but had done nothing to deserve to miss a shift. He’s been a beast.. so why opt for Hathaway over Ferland?

It’s this kind of confusing coaching that I’m tired of.. it wasn’t the personnel that was the issue, it was the lack of ability to breakdown the weak defence of Philly and get bodies to the net to make life difficult for Elliott. That is a system issue. Not a players responsibility to figure out on their own.

Like against Edmonton, the change of the system to activate the D but to have forward defensive support from the weak side came way too late but showed that a minor adjustment was all that needed to happen.
The frustration lies in that a proper coaching team would have scouted that need to activate the D with the weak side forward holding back to support the stay at home D to avoid odd man rushes and... 3 breakaways in 2 mins.

Also on that note, why was their no timeout taken to remind guys of their responsibility and to calm everyone down? Is it because GG didn’t want to have to talk to his players and address the system that broke down or is it that there is really no system to begin with?

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by Igottago

Its Brent Sutter all over again. I really can't stand when coaches are so rigid with implementing an air tight system and expect it to be executed perfectly. They seem to enforce the idea of playing not to lose instead of playing to win. Yes, have a strategy, but how can you totally discount the fluidity, creativity and instinctiveness involved in the game?

Systems are important, and a lot of times it is on the players as we have had far too many passengers and sloppy careless play. I do believe the players are capable of playing a great game within GG's system; But when coaching refuses to implement the changes and adaptations during the coarse of the game that might help the team win that game it becomes confusing and counterproductive. Whatever coaches are doing/not doing outside systems play at time just doesn't make sense.

Bruce Lee invented Jeet Kune Do because he said other systems were too ridged and didn't allow flow, flexibility and adaptation. So you may be a great Judo fighter but you might not be able to stand up to a superior system that exploits your weaknesses; Especially if you refuse to adapt.

The coaching staff is probably blinded by not having specific tools at their disposal such as ability to motivate, or play the game with the game so they blame the players for not executing the system. The problem is when the coaches can't see what they are lacking in tactical experience and motivational ability they don't address the real issue.

I do believe the players can execute the system but the problem is more complicated by lack of experience on the coaching staff in other areas.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

Hathaway was given extra shifts at the end of the game with johnny and Monny.
What confused me while it was happening was that Ferland was the odd man out but had done nothing to deserve to miss a shift. He’s been a beast.. so why opt for Hathaway over Ferland?

It’s this kind of confusing coaching that I’m tired of.. it wasn’t the personnel that was the issue, it was the lack of ability to breakdown the weak defence of Philly and get bodies to the net to make life difficult for Elliott. That is a system issue. Not a players responsibility to figure out on their own.

Like against Edmonton, the change of the system to activate the D but to have forward defensive support from the weak side came way too late but showed that a minor adjustment was all that needed to happen.
The frustration lies in that a proper coaching team would have scouted that need to activate the D with the weak side forward holding back to support the stay at home D to avoid odd man rushes and... 3 breakaways in 2 mins.

Also on that note, why was their no timeout taken to remind guys of their responsibility and to calm everyone down? Is it because GG didn’t want to have to talk to his players and address the system that broke down or is it that there is really no system to begin with?

Do you mean this last game? The assertion was that the fourth line was out when they need a goal badly. This wasn’t such a tune. And it wasn’t the fourth line. I didn’t see the whole game but maybe he was just giving Hathaway a little extra time.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Do you mean this last game? The assertion was that the fourth line was out when they need a goal badly. This wasn’t such a tune. And it wasn’t the fourth line. I didn’t see the whole game but maybe he was just giving Hathaway a little extra time.

I meant in general not this last game, I sometimes don't express my thoughts very well thanks for clarifying that!

[CSharp]

what happened to the "Fire GG" thread?

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by CSharp

what happened to the "Fire GG" thread?

it's a vast conspiracy to silence Glue Gun dissenters on calgarypuck!

[stone hands]

they probably combined them so that we dont have 2 of the exact thread with the exact same posters saying the exact same thing over and over regardless of whether the flames win or lose every single game

[Looch City]

Originally Posted by CSharp

what happened to the "Fire GG" thread?

It hurt GG's feelings.

[Cowboy89]

Originally Posted by browna

Not always.

A broken clock is correct twice a day . . . a blind squirrel is something something . . .

[djsFlames]

Brodano or Stonie >>>> Hambro

Please make the swap already. Either one. It doesn't matter. Just no more trying to shave the square peg into something circular.

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by stone hands

they probably combined them so that we dont have 2 of the exact thread with the exact same posters saying the exact same thing over and over regardless of whether the flames win or lose every single game

Consistency is key.