American Politics 3.0 - Back to Brunch

[Dion]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1397192128598523911

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by Dion

https://twitter.com/user/status/1397192128598523911

"At a time when the Jewish people face increased violence and threats, anti-Semitism is on the rise in the Democrat Party and is completely ignored by Speaker Nancy Pelosi."

I condemn what my fellow Representative says, but Democrats.

what garbage.

[rubecube]

No money for health care and student loan relief but somehow the Dems have found some for the important things.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1397248673839452165

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by Dion

https://twitter.com/user/status/1397192128598523911

The potential fallout from this will be interesting to watch. I wouldn't bet on the Trump wing of Marjorie not going after the GOP leader.

[photon]

Originally Posted by rubecube

No money for health care and student loan relief but somehow the Dems have found some for the important things.

Not sure if that's fair.. Giving money to Blue Origin is so that there can be a 2nd lunar lander in the program. That was the original intent, but then Congress didn't give as much money as was first planned so NASA picked only one provider; SpaceX. But as is usual with space stuff having all the eggs in one basket is a bad idea.

And Blue Origin is the only other one in the proposals that was even physically possible.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by photon

Not sure if that's fair.. Giving money to Blue Origin is so that there can be a 2nd lunar lander in the program. That was the original intent, but then Congress didn't give as much money as was first planned so NASA picked only one provider; SpaceX. But as is usual with space stuff having all the eggs in one basket is a bad idea.

And Blue Origin is the only other one in the proposals that was even physically possible.

I'm not really debating whether it's good or bad in terms of space exploration. Just pointing out the whole "we can't afford this" only seems to apply to certain areas of government spending. Defense contracts, military-spending, corporate welfare, etc., all seem to be exempt regardless of who's in power.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by activeStick

The potential fallout from this will be interesting to watch. I wouldn't bet on the Trump wing of Marjorie not going after the GOP leader.

McCarthy wants to be speaker of the house should Trumplicans regain both the house and senate in 2022.

[photon]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Just pointing out the whole "we can't afford this" only seems to apply to certain areas of government spending. Defense contracts, military-spending, corporate welfare, etc., all seem to be exempt regardless of who's in power.

Fair enough though I don't think this is a case of corporate welfare, it's partnering with corporations to accomplish space goals at reasonable costs, and that model has seen some success; commercial crew with SpaceX being a good example.

Meanwhile NASA's own SLS probably won't see a crewed launch until 2023.

[Dion]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1397301447105069066

[rubecube]

Lol. Do they honestly think the GOP are going to vote for this even if they take these items out?

https://twitter.com/user/status/1397661313078370309

[direwolf]

It doesn’t matter what they take out or what they include. The GQP aren’t interested in bi-partisanship, and they’ll try to block whatever the Dems put forward.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by direwolf

It doesn’t matter what they take out or what they include. The GQP aren’t interested in bi-partisanship, and they’ll try to block whatever the Dems put forward.

Exactly, so why not push your agenda forward as much as possible?

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

I would say maybe inadequate support within the caucus, but who doesn't want infrastructure spending on the electric grid? That's just plain necessary.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by direwolf

It doesn’t matter what they take out or what they include. The GQP aren’t interested in bi-partisanship, and they’ll try to block whatever the Dems put forward.

This why Biden needs to get his pen out and get the executive order train going, he has 3.5 years to prove his idea's "trump" the GOP's stupidity.

[driveway]

Originally Posted by Dion

https://twitter.com/user/status/1397301447105069066

I think the purpose of this Grand Jury is to indict as many of the upper echelon of the Trump Organization as possible, in an effort to get leverage over them to turn on Trump himself, in particular CFO Allen Weissselberg and COO Michael (I swear to god this is his real name) Calamari.

It's also possible this Grand Jury will be looking at the adult children of Weisselberg and Calamari who are either employees of the Trump Organization itself, or in the case of Jack Weisselberg, lenders to the Organization. As well as the Trump kids.

I would be surprised at this point if they actually were able to bring criminal indictments against Trump himself. While I still consider him an idiot, I have come to believe he is God's favourite idiot, and the Fates are looking after him the way one looks after a beloved idiot dog who keeps trying to eat chocolate.

[activeStick]

While your guess is as good as mine, I'd be very surprised if any criminal indictments against Trump come out of this. Trump's been grifting his whole life so he knows how to ensure he can claim he wasn't aware of any wrongdoings that may be uncovered.

[calculoso]

Attaboy Joe

Crowd Erupts as Biden Unveils List of GOPers Who Touted Stimulus Bill at Home After Voting Against It

https://secondnexus.com/biden-list-r...ns-rescue-plan

After taking back the White House at the start of this year, the first item on Democrats' agenda was to pass the American Rescue Plan—a long-awaited pandemic relief package that provided survival funds for small businesses, preserved expanded unemployment benefits, and delivered $1400 stimulus checks to hundreds of millions of Americans.

Despite the widespread popularity of these proposals, Republicans smeared the legislation as a socialist wish list and a Trojan horse for Democrats to secretly permit special projects for their own districts.
(Snip)

Not a single Republican in the House or the Senate supported the bill.

But with stimulus checks delivered and businesses steadily reopening, these same Republicans are touting the bill's provisions, and taking the credit.

(Snip)

In a Thursday speech at Coyahoga Community College in Cleveland, Ohio, President Joe Biden reminded people that Republicans were taking credit for a bill they voted against—and he literally brought receipts.


Biden said:

"Even my Republican friends in Congress, not a single one of them voted for the Rescue Plan. I'm not gonna embarrass anyone, but I have here a list of how, back in their districts, they're bragging about the Rescue Plan. They touted the restaurant revitalization fund. They touted...grants to community healthcare centers. I mean, some people have no shame."
Attendees erupted in laughter after Biden brandished the list of Republicans

(I hate how many ads are on this page)

[direwolf]

And the insanity continues. I assume they're gonna try and pull this crap in every single state that Trump lost.

I still don't understand how any of this bulls*** is legal after the election was officially certified months ago. Not to mention the multiple recounts that already took place followed by the 50+ GOP/Trump lawsuits that were all thrown out of court.

https://apnews.com/article/donald-tr...cb4ada43516f67

A Georgia judge last week awarded a group the chance to review mail ballots in a large Georgia county that includes Atlanta. Officials in a rural Michigan county on Tuesday debated a review of their voting machines. A similar debate has caused sharp divisions in a New Hampshire town. In some cases, the efforts have been inspired by an audit of the votes in Arizona’s Maricopa County, an elaborate exercise engineered by the GOP-led state Senate.

The efforts are unlikely to yield any new revelations about President Joe Biden’s victory in the 2020 election. The votes have been counted — and often recounted — and certified by local officials. Still, the lingering debate and legal wrangling have propelled suspicions and advanced debunked theories. And their sometimes misleading conclusions have been amplified by Trump, whose false allegations of election fraud sparked the push.

The profusion of audits alarms election experts, who note that the Arizona audit has set a troubling new precedent of third-party, partisan review of the ballots, long after elections are over.

“This is bad enough to see it happen once,” Eddie Perez, an expert on voting systems at the OSET Institute, said of Arizona, but seeing it elsewhere in the country is “dangerous for democracy.’”

“In a healthy democracy, you have an auditing process, you have legal recourse, and when that period is over, all the candidates who have won take over and you move on,” said Patrick, an adviser at The Democracy Fund, adding that the people calling for audits clearly want only one result.

“They are not going to be satisfied,” Patrick said. “This is just going to play out in perpetuity.”

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Just another day for the GOP.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1398313514507411457

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

Just another day for the GOP.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1398313514507411457

Can't the House just set one up instead? There has to be another way around this.