They lead in goal differential, so looks like a win and they’re in
OK thanks. And yes - no way, with a win, they can finish no lower than 2nd based on goal differential. They could finish first in the unlikely event of a 4 way tie at 3 points.
FIFA for decades has not done anything (as Locke essentially mentioned these are not practices to look at new tactics - game film is used extensively). This drone footage would not be providing any further advantage than what they would have seen. Using the same rule they deducted points from Canada - Argentina, Uraguay, and Morocco men's teams should have points deducted or should have been banned from the games. Overall it was an idiotic move since drones are not legal to fly in many cities worldwide, and it is also not clandestine since the operator is close by.
"...The sidewalk near the venue entrance is only a stone's throw from the sideline. Nearby road traffic provides a steady hum but the coaches and players can still be heard during training.
Private residences and retail shops on top of the hill above the field also have a view of the pitch...."
IMO there are people who think they are smart and want to look at things differently but it is still no different than actual footage they already have access to.
“The appeal is based on the disproportionality of the sanction, which we believe unfairly punishes the athletes for actions they had no part in and goes far beyond restoring fairness to the match against New Zealand,” Canada Soccer said in a statement.
A CAS statement said Canada seek a decision “either cancelling or reducing the points deduction”.
Captain Jessie Fleming said of the points deduction: “I think it is incredibly unfair to penalise the players in this way. The players had absolutely no control over the situation. I think it has brought us closer [together]. It feels like us against the world right now.”
I personally think deducting the 3 points for the New Zealand game, plus another point for being stupid should be enough punishment. Again, I believe the players have not seen the drone footage, or may be they were told those footages were aquired "legally." The players are innocent in regards to this.
Maybe tag on extra point deductions for the next World Cup / Olympics qualifying cycle...
FIFA for decades has not done anything (as Locke essentially mentioned these are not practices to look at new tactics - game film is used extensively). This drone footage would not be providing any further advantage than what they would have seen. Using the same rule they deducted points from Canada - Argentina, Uraguay, and Morocco men's teams should have points deducted or should have been banned from the games. Overall it was an idiotic move since drones are not legal to fly in many cities worldwide, and it is also not clandestine since the operator is close by.
"...The sidewalk near the venue entrance is only a stone's throw from the sideline. Nearby road traffic provides a steady hum but the coaches and players can still be heard during training.
Private residences and retail shops on top of the hill above the field also have a view of the pitch...."
IMO there are people who think they are smart and want to look at things differently but it is still no different than actual footage they already have access to.
“The appeal is based on the disproportionality of the sanction, which we believe unfairly punishes the athletes for actions they had no part in and goes far beyond restoring fairness to the match against New Zealand,” Canada Soccer said in a statement.
A CAS statement said Canada seek a decision “either cancelling or reducing the points deduction”.
Captain Jessie Fleming said of the points deduction: “I think it is incredibly unfair to penalise the players in this way. The players had absolutely no control over the situation. I think it has brought us closer [together]. It feels like us against the world right now.”
That's exactly the craziest part of this story, IMO, is that there was really no advantage to doing what they did, and it carried huge risk in getting caught.
It's like someone on the Canadian staff was paid off to do this lol
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That's exactly the craziest part of this story, IMO, is that there was really no advantage to doing what they did, and it carried huge risk in getting caught.
It's like someone on the Canadian staff was paid off to do this lol
This is what a number of us have been discussing. Very publicized regarding no fly zone with terror alerts, etc. It seems the analyst's reason could really only be paid off to challenge what FIFA would do or to plan on messing up team Canada on purpose since FIFA regularly always buries their head in the sand for these types of team issues at big events, and still do on the men's side even multiple infractions recently.
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FIFA has published the original decision and the following two emails from an analyst to Bev Priestman and from Bev Priestman to HR from March 2024 are pretty damning. (spoiler tagged for length)
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On the same day, in response to the aforementioned letter from the Secretariat, the CSA submitted the email exchange “that led to the suspension the CSA to suspend Ms Priestman, pending the results of a fulsome investigation”. The CSA explained that the email exchange, which the CSA General Secretary received on 25 July 2024, shows an analyst resisting a request from Ms Priestman to engage in flying drones for "scouting purposes”, and thus “call[ed] into question whether this practice had been systemically embedded in the culture of the women’s national team”. The email exchange read as follows:
Email dated 20 March 2024 from Ms Morgan Drew (a Performance Analyst of the Canadian Team) to Ms Priestman:
“Please see attached document with information regarding our potential Olympic opponents in today’s draw. If you need any further info, please just let me know.
Also just wanted to say thank you in terms of our last 2 individual meetings over the past week, I have found them very beneficial in gaining a better understanding of roles and responsibilities and appreciate your time.
As discussed yesterday, in terms of the “spying” conversation, I came off the meeting with clarity that you understood my reasons for me being unwilling to do this moving forward.
-- Morally
--- My own reputation within the analysis field
-- Potentially being unable to fulfil my role on a matchday.
Moving forward I will have a discussion with Joey and reach out to the wider tech team with regards to how we could potentially look for other solutions. But just wanted to confirm that you will not be asking me to fulfil the role of “spying” in the upcoming camp & future camps.
I am sure you will respect my reasoning and thank you for your understanding”.
Email dated 20 March 2024 from Ms Priestman to Mr Mark Thompson:
“Hi Mark
Seeking your advice and input here regarding this formal email on spying. It's something the analyst has always done and I know there is a whole operation on the Men's side with regards to it (we had Shane in with us recently and he was outstanding in this area). Yesterday in a meeting when discussing, I asked Morgan to propose a alternative solution as for scouting it can be the difference between winning and losing and all top 10 teams do it. I received this more 'formal' email this morning and so just after guidance really as to what from a HR stand point I can do or do I need to find another solution in resourcing? It's a tricky one and it's formal for a reason I feel...
I wonder if it is a very common tactic, and it was just the situation of only Canada getting caught so far.
Tyler Adams, current USMNT midfielder (and sometimes wears the captains armband for the States) said yesterday that all teams do it (it as in spying, not necessarily by drone). He has no reason to publicly say this especially as an American.
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