2017/2018 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

I actually though Rittich was pretty good in his limited minutes...i was very encouraged with him until Smith got injured and he was thrust into the starters....
But i honestly don't remember who the last legit starting goalie calgary developed (that stayed with the organization unlike JSG)...? I mean does Kidd count? because outside of him my brain rewinds all the way back to Vernon...

Yeah at worst you just ride Smith for the first half of the season and address it later. They need addtional firepower up front before camp starts.

And no it hasn’t happened and Kidd doesn’t count. The position I like and watch the most and a whole lotta nothing to be excited about as a Flames fan long term (outside Kipper of course). It would be great to see a few brought up from within and be successful starters. Teams spend huge assets trying to acquire sure thing goalies. If you can draft and develop them successfully that’s half the battle to a winning team.

[dammage79]

I guess the question is, if Smith goes down for another stretch of time, how much do you trust Rittich or Gillies to carry the load again? Pretty important to eliminate guess work out of this.

Rittich was fine in spot duty but pretty unreliable when given a steady workload.

In my opinion, I don't think they can gamble on that scenario and will bring in a capable #2. Give Rittich and Gillies an over ripening season in the AHL.

Or they move one to maximize a trade return.

Smith is the bonafide be all end all in net and his ability to play a full season is the question mark. Just not sold that either goals prospect can rise and carry

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I guess the question is, if Smith goes down for another stretch of time, how much do you trust Rittich or Gillies to carry the load again? Pretty important to eliminate guess work out of this.

Rittich was fine in spot duty but pretty unreliable when given a steady workload.

In my opinion, I don't think they can gamble on that scenario and will bring in a capable #2. Give Rittich and Gillies an over ripening season in the AHL.

Or they move one to maximize a trade return.

Smith is the bonafide be all end all in net and his ability to play a full season is the question mark. Just not sold that either goals prospect can rise and carry

tough question... Rittich doesn't have a resume of a kid that you expect to be a bonifide #1... but Gillies and Parsons esp, i would hope/expect one of those guys to pan out...

in some ways Hellebuyck is an interesting example where, he was expected to carry a bigger load in 2016/17 but struggled to a 13-11 record... so much so the GM brought in Mason as the backup just in case...but Hellebuyck bounced back and really became the kind of goalie they were expecting.

Such a tricky position to develop because its so dependent on confidence...which can be a struggle with a first time starter.

[SeanCharles]

Don't change anything with our goalie situation. It's fine as it is. Smith with 3 younger guys behind him is a good recipe in my mind because the 3 behind him are all good prospects.

Defence is bloated and there is a dearth of forwards.

Keep goalies the same, revamp forward group by dangling defenseman as trade bait.

Seems pretty obvious to me..

[the_only_turek_fan]

If we trade Hamilton, who will play 25 minutes a night and score 45 points?

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

If we trade Hamilton, who will play 25 minutes a night and score 45 points?

Yes, for those who want to trade him, we are a much lesser team without him unless we get a superstar winger in return.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

If we trade Hamilton, who will play 25 minutes a night and score 45 points?

Yeah, he is indispensable. We will never succeed without him, unlike, you know, the 16 teams that somehow made the playoffs without him.

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Yeah, he is indispensable. We will never succeed without him, unlike, you know, the 16 teams that somehow made the playoffs without him.

He was not the reason we missed. It may have had something to do with atricious coaching, especially on the power play, abysmal 3rd and 4th lines, a 1st line centre playing through multiple injuries that required surgery, multiple other injuries in key positions, a starting goaltender missing a big chunk near the end of the season without a proven replacement, or starting the season with the worst backup in the league, but go ahead, blame it on the top scoring defenseman in the league and the player who ate up the most minutes on the team.

You know, the Oilers need a defenseman more than they need skilled forwards. Do you think they would have made the playoffs if they had traded McDavid for Hamonic? You can't downgrade your team significantly just to fill a positional need. I'm not saying Hamilton is untouchable, but it's much harder to get a good defenseman than a good winger, and the only way that trading him for a winger would be an upgrade would be if that winger was one of the top 5 in the league. Remember, Hamilton is still young and has yet to reach his prime, while still being on a good contract. And who do you want to see playing 25 minutes a game if he is traded, would you prefer Hamonic or Brodie?

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Yeah, he is indispensable. We will never succeed without him, unlike, you know, the 16 teams that somehow made the playoffs without him.

All of whom would love to add Hamilton.

[Angelino]

Hamilton wasn’t the reason Calgary didn’t make the playoffs. Hamilton is the sort of player you try to build around to get to the next level. Trading him makes little sense unless there is an over the top trade offer out there.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Fact: Flames had Hamilton
Fact: Flames missed the playoffs
Fact: 16 teams without Hamilton found a way to make the playoffs

That’s all

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Angelino

Hamilton wasn’t the reason Calgary didn’t make the playoffs. Hamilton is the sort of player you try to build around to get to the next level. Trading him makes little sense unless there is an over the top trade offer out there.

Honest question. For whom on Vegas would you trade Hamilton.

Ideally 1 for 1

Who did they build around?

Please tell me Engelland

[RoughRiderRowdy]

If we want a star winger hamilton is the only defenceman valued high enough to obtain one

[Redrum]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Fact: Flames had Hamilton
Fact: Flames missed the playoffs
Fact: 16 teams without Hamilton found a way to make the playoffs

That’s all

Best argument ever. Any individual player that doesn't make the playoffs sucks and should be fired into the sun. Haha!

Is he a time bomb or something? Sounds like you're gearing up for a Hall-Larsson type of trade, 'cept a good D-man for a meh forward. Let's not go down that road, or up that highway if you know what I mean.

[Poe969]

Fact: Gaudreau Tavares, Price, OEL, ROR, Eichel, Patrick Kane, Seguin, Benn and a bunch of other "star players" played on teams who did the make the playoffs
Fact: Vegas is a team full of cast off players that teams we're willing to give away for nothing
Fact: Vegas is on the brink of the conference finals and those other teams didn't make the playoffs

I'm pretty sure in order to have success in today's NHL you need to only have players other teams don't want which means teams should be willing to over pay for Brouwer since the Flames were willing to give him up for nothing which means the Flames should be able to get at least a first round pick if the Flames trade Brouwer.

That's all.

[1qqaaz]

It would make more sense to trade Hamilton next year. We'd have a better idea on Valimaki, Fox, and Andersson. Ideally, Brodie rebounds under a new coach and we trade him when his value is higher.

It makes next to no sense to trade Dougie now. If they did trade him, I can almost guarantee that I wouldn't like the return. I like Mark Stone, but I don't think he would help the team as much as Hamilton does.

[wired]

We have players who WANT to play, and win. Brodie is a player who maybe needs a change.
Identify the players who lack the compete desire, regardless of their supposedly "never trade him" status, and attempt to recoup a 1st round pick in this years draft.
I am hoping that with a coaching change, the team turns things around.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Poe969

Fact: Vegas is a team full of cast off players that teams we're willing to give away for nothing

Actually no one was willing to give those players away or nothing.

The rules of expansion required them to do so.

[442scotty]

I don’t think Treliving is desperate to move Hamilton but anyone on the team can be had for the right offer

[underGRADFlame]

The only reason in my mind you trade Hamilton, is if he asked to be moved.