2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

...and then lose the player you acquired in the expansions draft? Smort.

Noah Hanifin isn’t some golden goose. He’s a solid player, and he’s young and signed to a market-value deal. If this team can sign Pietrangelo (an elite defenceman), and trade Hanifin for a 1st + 2nd + 2nd? Well that’s an absolute win. You improved your team, and you gained additional assets that are expansion draft exempt.

You really need to stop bringing up the expansion draft as a reason not to do things. It's a half-assed excuse at best.

[dammage79]

Soon. Soon we will see the next vision Flames management puts together. We have all gone full circle here. Everyones dumb for wanting to trade player x and everyone's dumb for not wanting to trade player x, wash rinse repeat.

Then we will all laugh at how overvalued or undervalued player x is in the trade proposals.

We need some Flames juice as we ran out of gas on everything else.

[Heavy Jack]

It’s a legitimate thing to consider and calling it a half-assed excuse is a half-assed take.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

You really need to stop bringing up the expansion draft as a reason not to do things. It's a half-assed excuse at best.

Nah, expansion draft is a big time wrinkle in how they gms will do business. Its a big why as to how some players are available, like Markstrom. No expansion draft, he's not even a conversation. Same with the Pittsburgh goalies.

You're not going to trade for a surplus of players you cannot protect. Thats horrible asset management.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

You really need to stop bringing up the expansion draft as a reason not to do things. It's a half-assed excuse at best.

Okay, then the salary cap. Or the fact Mackey and Valimaki are both pushing into the roster. Also, ignoring the expansion draft would just be unwise. Improving your team while keeping it in mind is important.

Signing Pietrangelo and trading Hanifin for a 1st + 2nd + 2nd is just good management. Get better now, load up for the future. 2nd pairing defenceman are pretty readily available every off-season via trade or free agency, and that’s what Hanifin is. He could one day become a top pairing guy, but is that something I’d bank on rather than signing Pietrangelo? No.

Yeah, it would make sense on paper to trade Giordano and keep Hanifin for long-term reasons, but this team isn’t trading Giordano - at least I don’t think so. Also, trading Gio and keeping Hanifin makes us worse on-ice next season, and this team is trying to win a Cup.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Not sure why bringing in a #1 RHD would mean we would have to trade our best young LHD. Can't we have both?

As far as the expansion draft is considered, who exactly are we worried about losing if we bring in Pietrangelo (pipes dream anyways)?

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

Not sure why bringing in a #1 RHD would mean we would have to trade our best young LHD. Can't we have both?

As far as the expansion draft is considered, who exactly are we worried about losing if we bring in Pietrangelo (pipes dream anyways)?

We’d be leaving Gio exposed, which I don’t think will happen. More importantly though, we’d be starving the rest of the roster of cap-availability. Signing Pietrangelo without moving a defenceman gives the team pretty much nothing to work with to improve the rest of the roster.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Okay, then the salary cap. Or the fact Mackey and Valimaki are both pushing into the roster. Also, ignoring the expansion draft would just be unwise. Improving your team while keeping it in mind is important.

Signing Pietrangelo and trading Hanifin for a 1st + 2nd + 2nd is just good management. Get better now, load up for the future. 2nd pairing defenceman are pretty readily available every off-season via trade or free agency.

Yeah, it would make sense on paper to trade Giordano and keep Hanifin for long-term reasons, but this team isn’t trading Giordano - at least I don’t think so. Also, trading Gio and keeping Hanifin makes us worse on-ice next season, and this team is trying to win a Cup.

Thats debatable though. Gio could be in the sharp decline stage of things right now. I wouldnt lock Gio in for a roster spot aside from being left uprotected in the expansion draft. We are lucky Valimaki isnt expansion eligible. Because then we would have a massive issue.

So far as of today. I personally would lock down Andersson, Hanifin and Kylington before Gio. Thats just from controlled players on the roster right now.

What is also poor asset management is holding onto 37 year old veterans over early 20s cost controlled players. I love Gio but let's be honest here, he is not long for this league which is now a very young man's game.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Okay, then the salary cap. Or the fact Mackey and Valimaki are both pushing into the roster. Also, ignoring the expansion draft would just be unwise. Improving your team while keeping it in mind is important.

Signing Pietrangelo and trading Hanifin for a 1st + 2nd + 2nd is just good management. Get better now, load up for the future. 2nd pairing defenceman are pretty readily available every off-season via trade or free agency, and that’s what Hanifin is. He could one day become a top pairing guy, but is that something I’d bank on rather than signing Pietrangelo? No.

Yeah, it would make sense on paper to trade Giordano and keep Hanifin for long-term reasons, but this team isn’t trading Giordano - at least I don’t think so. Also, trading Gio and keeping Hanifin makes us worse on-ice next season, and this team is trying to win a Cup.

You move other players to save cap space.

Mackey doesn't have 1 second of NHL ice-time, he is not a factor in this decision. Valimaki has 22 game and hasn't played a minute of hockey in over a year and a half, he is not a factor in this decision.

You move Ryan first and foremost and replace him with a cheap 4th line center. Then if we sign Markstrom as suggested in the Duha piece, then we move Rittich for a cheaper backup. That saves us almost as much as Hanifin's contract. There are way smarter ways to get cap complaint.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Nah, expansion draft is a big time wrinkle in how they gms will do business. Its a big why as to how some players are available, like Markstrom. No expansion draft, he's not even a conversation. Same with the Pittsburgh goalies.

You're not going to trade for a surplus of players you cannot protect. Thats horrible asset management.

The expansion draft is a full season away. You deal with that next off-season before the expansion draft.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

You really need to stop bringing up the expansion draft as a reason not to do things. It's a half-assed excuse at best.

No. It is a legitimate reason, not an excuse. Not accounting for the expansion draft would be short sighted and irresponsible. The Flames can’t afford to let what happened to the Wild, Ducks, or Panthers happen to them.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Buff

That's been common knowledge and widely speculated since his NYI days. Everybody knows he wants to play in his home province.

Originally Posted by Krovikan

Isn't this public knowledge, he has family their and wanted a trade from NY to Western Conference to be close to them as their was an illness.

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Yes. His brother also has a farm south of Winnipeg.

There is also something else but I don't want to use it as a 'source.' I just have it on good knowledge that Hamonic is likely to sign with the Jets if the term and money makes sense.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

The expansion draft is a full season away. You deal with that next off-season before the expansion draft.

Ah yes, makes sense as to why teams are already doing their prep for it now. Why not wait until the last possible second to get things done and potentially hang yourself if they cant get done in time!

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Ah yes, makes sense as to why teams are already doing their prep for it now. Why not wait until the last possible second to get things done and potentially hang yourself if they cant get done in time!

Who exactly has made an expansion related move for draft picks?

[Calgary4LIfe]

If you listen to what Treliving says, he feels it is critical to build from the defence and centre positions. He has often called these a 'premium position'.


Keeping that in mind, any moves related to Monahan or Backlund has to have an eye to improving these positions. I would anticipate that this off-season will include:


1) Signing/trading for a goalie
2) Signing/trading for defencemen
3) Probably not much to do on centres - Flames don't have excess defencemen to trade away.


Flames do have extra wingers to trade for 'premium position' players I guess. However, I think Treliving concentrates on defencemen and goalies this off-season. If Taylor Hall wants to sign here, Flames basically have to sign him - high value acquisition for the team that costs nothing.



I am fine with the Flames rolling:


Giordano - X
Hanifin - Andersson
Valimaki - Kylington


Flames need to get a competent defencemen to play with Giordano either through trade or through the UFA market.



That bottom pairing is a huge question mark. I thought Kylington outside of a poor 2 game stretch last season was good enough there, and one can expect him to grow his game with more experience. He isn't going to get better sitting on the bench, and I don't think he gets through waivers (cheap, young and upside). Kylington is a LS defencemen, but he is more comfortable playing the right side apparently. Valimaki was also good whenever he played, but a bigger question mark at the moment simply because he hasn't played in a very long time.


If the Flames manage to secure a decent top 4 defencemen somehow that also makes a strong first pass, then they will have 6 defencemen all capable of moving the puck well. Hopefully it will force Ward to see this team as a fast-transition type of team and implement a system making use of it.


I don't see Gaudreau being shopped for futures - at least not for futures that Calgary will use to 'restock'. This is a team that is trying to win and has a few holes. I would rather keep Gaudreau and 'go for it' with the changes, or I would use him as a trade-chip to get something else 'good' for the roster.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

We’d be leaving Gio exposed, which I don’t think will happen.

I would bet they will expose Gio, at that time he will have 1 year remaining

In terms of defense I don't think the Flames have any issues with the expansion draft.

However they obviously will need to add....

[Crown Royal]

So I threw this togethr using Duha's numbers of 9.5 & 5.5, only trades I made were Ryan and Rittich. It's not ideal to use a 21 man roster, but worst case you use 7 defensemen until you get emergency cap relief. Gawdin & Quine could be replaced with any league min. player. Also, I don't think it would be that hard to save the 250k in cap needed to add an extra forward on the Petro, Markstrom & Mangiapane signings. You can also sign a cheaper defenseman and have Mackey start in the AHL.

[powderjunkie]

Might be tough to trade Ryan without bringing back some salary, and a $1M backup behind Markstrom isn't ideal considering his recent injuries.

Hanifin is the player on the roster most likely to return a legit C prospect, which is what the team really needs.

You've demonstrated that it's possible, but IMO it's just not a good idea to go all-in on Pietro+Markstrom+Hanifin+Gio+existing Forward core

[Derek Sutton]

Any move Tre makes better be done with the expansion draft in mind, like Valimaki sitting out the post season.

[Vinny01]

Not saying this is what I want but playing around with some speculation to shake the team up huge

To Hawks: Hanifin
To Flames: Strome (signs 5x5)

To Wild: Monahan+19
To Flames: Dumba+9

To Flyers: Gaudreau+Kylington
To Flames: Gostisbhere, Frost, York, 1st

Sign Hall 8.5x7
Sign Markstrom 5.75x5
Trade Ryan for a 3rd

Rough roster

Tkachuk-Backlund-Lindholm
Hall-Strome-Mangipane
Dube-Frost-TBD
Lucic-Bennett-TBD

Giordnao-Andersson
Gostisbhere-Dumba
Valimaki-Mackey

Markstrom
Rittich

9th pick, 25th pick, 2 2nd rounders. York helps the D prospect cupboard, Strome and Frost are 23 and 21 year old centers, Markstrom solidifies the goaltending position, Hall replaces Johnny’s offense Gostisbhere/Dumba/Valimaki replace Hanifin/Brodie,Hamonic