2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Poe969

Any chance the Flames buy anyone out?

Seems unlikely, we only re-signed Stone to a one year contract.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Nelson

What would it cost to get Anthony Cirelli? Could we get him for what Vancouver gave Tampa for JT Miller, a 1st round pick, a 3rd round pick and a meh prospect?

He's an RFA and an offer sheet with an AAV between $4.4 and $6.5 million would cost a 2021 1st and 3rd round pick if not matched.

Tampa's cap situation would make it difficult for them to match.

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

He's an RFA and an offer sheet with an AAV between $4.4 and $6.5 million would cost a 2021 1st and 3rd round pick if not matched.

Tampa's cap situation would make it difficult for them to match.

That’s why you have to target him or Sergachev first and go after the one you want second.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by MrMike

That’s why you have to target him or Sergachev first and go after the one you want second.

Could even do the same to the Islanders with Barzal/Pulock/D. Toews.

If the Flames signed Pietrangelo I would go after Toews and move Giordano. Could give us a top 4 of Hanifin - Andersson and Toews - Pietrangelo.

Cirelli/Cernak/Sergachev is also a nice trio to go after. Getting Pulock or Cernak instead of Pietrangelo could work too (and 100% likely with a cheaper cap hit).

[MrMike]

Barzal will be too much. I’d rather Cirelli at 7.5 than Barzal at 12

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by MrMike

Barzal will be too much. I’d rather Cirelli at 7.5 than Barzal at 12

I don't think Barzal would cost that much. But yes, Cirelli would be a lot more inexpensive.

I would rather be looking into one of the 4 defenseman from those two teams, especially with Giordano aging and the unlikelihood of Pietrangelo signing here.

[JTech780]

Originally Posted by MrMike

Barzal will be too much. I’d rather Cirelli at 7.5 than Barzal at 12

Cirelli is a solid 2nd/3rd line center, but he isn't worth $7.5m.

[MrMike]

Sergachev is smooth.

Also Cirelli was 4th in Selke votes.

Look at what miller turned into for Vancouver after spending some time on Tampa’s system.
Let’s take the one 4th in Selke Voting

[dino7c]

You have to convince a guy to sign an offer sheet to go from Tampa to Calgary...GL

[Derek Sutton]

Originally Posted by MrMike

Barzal will be too much. I’d rather Cirelli at 7.5 than Barzal at 12

Except Barzal is a clear #1 center and Cirelli is a #3 center. This team needs a #1 Center and has needed one for the last 20 plus years. More then anything, what is needed to contend for and win a cup are two top line centres and two dominant defensemen. The bottom 6 forwards can be a mixture of rookies, AHLers and league minimum players and the bottom 4 D can be a bunch of spare parts. But you need two lines and two defensemen who can control the game.

[Roof-Daddy]

Cirelli is the number 2 center on the the team thats about to win the stanley cup lol

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I stand by that. French fries are terrible.

If by terrible you mean the best form a potato can take, you would be correct

[Derek Sutton]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Cirelli is the number 2 center on the the team thats about to win the stanley cup lol

Where do you slate him with Monohan and Backlund? Signing him does not give you number one center, it gives you two number twos and a 3, or a #2 and two #3s, or even 3 numbers 3’s with Bennet.

[bubbsy]

I love the optimism in this thread. Hall, pitreangalo, markstrom, barzal, cirelli....

Flames are a small market team. There is little to nothing driving star players to pick Calgary over the 30 markets. The flames were the western conference champs last year, and could only muster a trade for Milan lucic, which is a bottom 10 contract of the entire NHL.

Enjoy the dreams of the offseason, but until management realizes drafting is the ONLY path to a contending roster for the flames, we're just setting ourselves for disappointment.

The gaudreau trade rumours, are just rumours, but should definitely help us flames fans keep expectations in check. This is the flames, err on the side of disappointment.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Derek Sutton

Where do you slate him with Monohan and Backlund?

Right in between. He played over 18 minutes a game this season and has averaged over 20 minutes a game in this playoff run. He's doing at 22/23 years old what it took Backlund until he was 26/27 years old to do. He's a better and younger version of Backlund IMO

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by Poe969

Any chance the Flames buy anyone out?

There is a chance they buy out Derek Ryan if they can't trade him. If the plan is to use Bennett at 3C, Ryan would be a very expensive 4C and buying him out would still save us a million or so after replacing him.

Originally Posted by David Struch

Would it be worth it for the Flames to buyout Milan Lucic then sign him for $700,000 just like they did with Michael Stone?

It would not. The earliest a Lucic buyout would happen is next off-season and only if he refuses to waive his NMC for the expansion draft. At which point we won't have to worry about his buyout penalty and a cost of a replacement player being higher than his cap hit until 2022-23 where the cost of a buyout plus minimal cost of a replacement would be about 400k higher than his cap hit.

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by Derek Sutton

Where do you slate him with Monohan and Backlund? Signing him does not give you number one center, it gives you two number twos and a 3, or a #2 and two #3s, or even 3 numbers 3’s with Bennet.

You're trolling a Flames board, desperately hunting for a Tampa Bay fan. That's really specific.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Derek Sutton

Where do you slate him with Monohan and Backlund? Signing him does not give you number one center, it gives you two number twos and a 3, or a #2 and two #3s, or even 3 numbers 3’s with Bennet.

Monahan is a low end number one center and the other two would be high end number two centers who are both very good defensively.

I would rather find an elite 1C too, but that is highly unlikely and you should still be adding very good Cs whenever possible. If you wait for an elite 1C you might be waiting for a long time.

[Derek Sutton]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Right in between. He played over 18 minutes a game this season and has averaged over 20 minutes a game in this playoff run. He's doing at 22/23 years old what it took Backlund until he was 26/27 years old to do. He's a better and younger version of Backlund IMO

I agree with that, so then you’re looking at moving out Backlund and his 5.5, not going to be the easiest task either. I personally don’t think Cirelli, as good as he is does anything to address a current need.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by Derek Sutton

Where do you slate him with Monohan and Backlund? Signing him does not give you number one center, it gives you two number twos and a 3, or a #2 and two #3s, or even 3 numbers 3’s with Bennet.

I'm sorry, but how is a guy in the 12-17 range of most statistical categories for centers not a #1C?

31 teams, 31 #1 centers.

Monahan is a #1 center. He may not be a McDavid or Eichel, but he is still a middle of the pack #1 and if he were ever the #2 on a team, it would be a pretty ####ing elite team down the middle. Even this past season which was awful for Monahan's standards saw him finishing the in the top 31.

This constant stupidity by our fans surrounding Monahan is absolutely ridiculous.