Origin of the Coronavirus

[Boreal]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

Can you at least acknowledge the possibility that it might have been man made, then infected into pangolins, then infected back into humans to cover Bill Gates tracks?

No.

No I can’t. Because I use basic logic.

If you’re going to keep ANY secret you need to keep it between less than 3 people or it becomes widely known with concrete verifiable evidence.

In this case the verifiable evidence of this scenario is overwhelmingly against it.

Additionally if you think 2 or at most 3 people can execute a diabolical plot of this scale, well then, I have some ocean front property in Saskatchewan I would love to sell you.

[ResAlien]

Nice to see the conspiracy nuts going back to the absence of evidence being evidence itself. “There’s no evidence it came from a lab but that’s not saying it didn’t come from a lab”. Cool I’m in. Did you guys also know that airplane fuel can’t melt steel beams?

[afc wimbledon]

I have started getting chem trail conspiracy stories to add to the Chinese lab plus 5 G cell towers are responsible on my facebook feed!! just waiting for the flat earth plus Killary Clinton explanation

[Buzzard]

Stating the obvious at this point I suppose.

“There’s a lot of rumor and speculation in a wide variety of media, blog sites, etc.,” Milley said.

"It should be no surprise to you that we have taken a keen interest in that, and we have had a lot of intelligence take a hard look at that. At this point it’s inconclusive, although the weight of evidence seems to indicate natural, but we do not know for sure,” Milley said.

Nothing much else of note. From Defenseone.com

[TheScorpion]

You can't spell CONSPIRACY without CP! Coincidence? I THINK NOT!

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by nobles_point

No.

No I can’t. Because I use basic logic.

If you’re going to keep ANY secret you need to keep it between less than 3 people or it becomes widely known with concrete verifiable evidence.

In this case the verifiable evidence of this scenario is overwhelmingly against it.

Additionally if you think 2 or at most 3 people can execute a diabolical plot of this scale, well then, I have some ocean front property in Saskatchewan I would love to sell you.

I was being sarcastic.
I thought the Bill Gates bit would omit the need for green text but I guess we've gone far enough down the rabbit hole that even that isn't clearly a joke anymore.

[Lubicon]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

I have started getting chem trail conspiracy stories to add to the Chinese lab plus 5 G cell towers are responsible on my facebook feed!! just waiting for the flat earth plus Killary Clinton explanation

All that plus Deep Underground Military Bases (DUMBs) located below Calgary and connected to other bases around the world by underground tunnels 800 miles deep. At least according to one person on my feed. But don't worry, Trump is going to save us all.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Lubicon

All that plus Deep Underground Military Bases (DUMBs) located below Calgary and connected to other bases around the world by underground tunnels 800 miles deep. At least according to one person on my feed. But don't worry, Trump is going to save us all.

Wait, so you're telling me the 8th avenue subway was never built because the military took over the spaces and made them bunkers/bases?

[Fuzz]

There is no way that DUMB's were not completely fabricated to troll these conspiracy believing rubes. Not a chance.

[DiracSpike]

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/cor...ete-us-sources

EXCLUSIVE: COVID-19 originated in a Wuhan laboratory not as a bioweapon, but as part of China's effort to demonstrate that its efforts to identify and combat viruses are equal to or greater than the capabilities of the United States, multiple sources who have been briefed on the details of early actions by China's government and seen relevant materials tell Fox News.

Documents detail early efforts by doctors at the lab and early efforts at containment. The Wuhan wet market initially identified as a possible point of origin never sold bats, and the sources tell Fox News that blaming the wet market was an effort by China to deflect blame from the laboratory, along with the country's propaganda efforts targeting the U.S. and Italy.

Dismiss because it's Fox, or you don't trust the US government, or whatever you want. Definitely not trending well for the people who declared with absolute certainty this came from the wet market and anyone who didn't share that certainty was a kooky conspiracy theorist.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by DiracSpike

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/cor...ete-us-sources





Dismiss because it's Fox, or you don't trust the US government, or whatever you want. Definitely not trending well for the people who declared with absolute certainty this came from the wet market and anyone who didn't share that certainty was a kooky conspiracy theorist.

WaPo reported on this awhile ago with a very reputable reporter running the story. I tend to think that more people are still leaning towards a natural origin, but if this comes out as either Chinese carelessness or an actual plot, it would destroy China's reputation. For that reason alone, I'm pretty skeptical they actually went ahead and did it. Stakes are too high to blow it, but at the very least there were serious concerns regarding safety going back as far as 2015.

WaPo column is paywalled so here is Forbes reporting on the story.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapo.../#1f05462a1ee1

The U.S. government helped build and fund Wuhan virology labs. The thinking was that it was important for China to get up to par in the global life sciences. It was already a known center of previous outbreaks. Investing there and educating them on international safety standards was just preventative medicine.

Rogin’s reporting suggests that government officials were well aware of the research being conducted in the lab on bat coronaviruses and were worried that the lab still had sub-par safety standards.

[Fuzz]

It's certainly a possibility. After reading that article thoguh, it crossed my mind that there is also a strong possibility this is BS spouted by the US government in an attempt to pin more blame on China to cover up for their poor response. Pretty standard misinformation tactic.

[DiracSpike]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

It's certainly a possibility. After reading that article thoguh, it crossed my mind that there is also a strong possibility this is BS spouted by the US government in an attempt to pin more blame on China to cover up for their poor response. Pretty standard misinformation tactic.

We have a convert!

It's also a possibility this is US government misinformation too. But when it comes down to it I'll trust the US, no matter who the President is, over the communist one party dictatorial genocidal garbage heap of a government that is China.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by DiracSpike

We have a convert!

It's also a possibility this is US government misinformation too. But when it comes down to it I'll trust the US, no matter who the President is, over the communist one party dictatorial genocidal garbage of heap of a government that is China.

Really? I wouldn't trust either of them right now

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by DiracSpike

We have a convert!

It's also a possibility this is US government misinformation too. But when it comes down to it I'll trust the US, no matter who the President is, over the communist one party dictatorial genocidal garbage heap of a government that is China.

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[DiracSpike]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

Really? I wouldn't trust either of them right now

One is clearly worse than the other. It's not the Chinese people's fault that a one party dictatorship took over 70 years ago and they're stuck with them, it's ok to admit that their government is a tyrannical lying #### heap.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by DiracSpike

One is clearly worse than the other. It's not the Chinese people's fault that a one party dictatorship took over 70 years ago and they're stuck with them, it's ok to admit that their government is a tyrannical lying #### heap.

as far as I can see one Government is a tyrannical lying #### heap and the other Government is trying to attain tyrannical lying #### heap status but the both lie like a bad wig, the only difference between Trump and Xi is Trump is a moron and Xi isnt

[DiracSpike]

Look harder then, don't know what to tell you.

[afc wimbledon]

look harder at what, the fact that one country has a constitution that its Government is attempting to ignore and the other country doesn't have one? the current US government is doing its best to copy China, its public statements are no more trustworthy at this point

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

look harder at what, the fact that one country has a constitution that its Government is attempting to ignore and the other country doesn't have one? the current US government is doing its best to copy China, its public statements are no more trustworthy at this point

Actually, the both have constitutions, and they're increasingly carrying about the same amount of weight.