01-14-2021, 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Bonded
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Best goal song in the league.
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I assume we’ll see Ryan moved from the taxi squad to active roster at some point today?
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01-14-2021, 09:46 AM
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#42
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Originally Posted by Nelson
Per Hailey Salvian of the Athletic:
According to GSVA (Game Score Value Added), Joakim Nordstrom is the worst forward the Flames have.
By virtue of having him on the fourth line, the Flames have the 24th ranked 4th line and two replacement level wingers next to Sam Bennett.
If they place Ryan next to Bennett, the Flames' expected win percentage goes from 51.6% (28 wins) to 52.8% (29 wins). So, putting Ryan in instead of Nordstrom means the Flames win another whole game. That's actually a pretty big impact relative to such a simple change.
They can still play Nordstrom for all the Sens games and put Ryan on the taxi squad for all the days off to maximize the salary cap gains.
I hope they play Ryan next to Bennett instead of Nordstrom.
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No it doesnt.
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01-14-2021, 09:55 AM
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#43
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Originally Posted by transplant99
No it doesnt.
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True. I should re-phrase. Putting Ryan in instead of Nordstrom means the GSVA metric is used to predict the Flames win another whole game.
The point is: Nordstrom is the worst Flames' player currently on the regular roster, and Ryan is much better, so I hope the Flames play Ryan.
Last edited by Nelson; 01-14-2021 at 09:59 AM.
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01-14-2021, 09:58 AM
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#44
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Its game day? time to bust out the bad photoshops!
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01-14-2021, 09:58 AM
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#45
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Go Flames go!
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01-14-2021, 09:59 AM
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#46
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Nelson
True. I should re-phrase. Putting Ryan in instead of Nordstrom means the GSVA metric is used to predict the Flames win another whole game.
The point is: Nordstrom is the worst Flames' player, and Ryan is much better, so I hope the Flames play Ryan.
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One could argue that even with Ryan in the lineup that Ryan is the worst Flames player so really, what's your point?
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01-14-2021, 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Stanley
One could argue that even with Ryan in the lineup that Ryan is the worst Flames player so really, what's your point?
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The point is that hockey is ####ing back, so we're gonna debate about who gets to play on the 4th line!
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01-14-2021, 10:05 AM
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Nordstrom doesnt have the offense Ryan does. No debate.
What Nordstrom does bring is elite PK skills. Something the team lost a ton of over the off season when Jankowski and Reider (and Frolik before them) left for greener pastures.
Its an important role to allow the other guys less ice time, there by keeping them fresher for this truncated and compacted season. If this team wants to roll 4 lines somewhat equally, then they need PK "specialists" who can also take a somewhat regular shift. Ryan and Nordstrom will both be required to do this. Otherwise a guy like Dube/Backlund/Bennett will be thrust into that role as well as putting huge minutes on Lindholm.
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01-14-2021, 10:06 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Stanley
One could argue that even with Ryan in the lineup that Ryan is the worst Flames player so really, what's your point?
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The Flames are better with Ryan in the lineup than with Nordstrom in the lineup because Ryan is better than Nordstrom.
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01-14-2021, 10:08 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by transplant99
Nordstrom doesnt have the offense Ryan does. No debate.
What Nordstrom does bring is elite PK skills. Something the team lost a ton of over the off season when Jankowski and Reider (and Frolik before them) left for greener pastures.
Its an important role to allow the other guys less ice time, there by keeping them fresher for this truncated and compacted season. If this team wants to roll 4 lines somewhat equally, then they need PK "specialists" who can also take a somewhat regular shift. Ryan and Nordstrom will both be required to do this. Otherwise a guy like Dube/Backlund/Bennett will be thrust into that role as well as putting huge minutes on Lindholm.
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Okay, I appreciate your argument. If Nordstrom is that much better on the PK than Ryan, then it might be better to put Nordstrom in because of that and the cap savings. I don't know how they compare on the PK.
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01-14-2021, 10:10 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Nelson
The Flames are better with Ryan in the lineup than with Nordstrom in the lineup because Ryan is better than Nordstrom.
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is that you @boringseanmonahan? Lol
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01-14-2021, 10:17 AM
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Is Nordstrom really this years whipping boy already before even playing a shift? Good grief.
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01-14-2021, 10:19 AM
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Truculent!
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Quote:
Originally Posted by transplant99
Nordstrom doesnt have the offense Ryan does. No debate.
What Nordstrom does bring is elite PK skills. Something the team lost a ton of over the off season when Jankowski and Reider (and Frolik before them) left for greener pastures.
Its an important role to allow the other guys less ice time, there by keeping them fresher for this truncated and compacted season. If this team wants to roll 4 lines somewhat equally, then they need PK "specialists" who can also take a somewhat regular shift. Ryan and Nordstrom will both be required to do this. Otherwise a guy like Dube/Backlund/Bennett will be thrust into that role as well as putting huge minutes on Lindholm.
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Does Nordstrom have "Elite PK skills"?
Where you seeing this?
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01-14-2021, 10:20 AM
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Gfg!
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01-14-2021, 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by topfiverecords
Is Nordstrom really this years whipping boy already before even playing a shift? Good grief.
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Not whipping boy. Proper 13th forward.
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01-14-2021, 10:22 AM
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#56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Nelson
Not whipping boy. Proper 13th forward.
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You haven't even seen the lineup. Or a game.
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01-14-2021, 10:26 AM
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I expect the Jets to come out absolutely flying. We beat them in the play-in and that memory has to be still fresh for them. So I hope we see an absolute war tonight. GFG!!!
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01-14-2021, 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by topfiverecords
You haven't even seen the lineup. Or a game.
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True. I could easily be wrong. But that's my opinion based on comparing his past 5 on 5 numbers to Ryan's.
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01-14-2021, 10:28 AM
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#59
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Location: Calgary
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I had to look up when the Flames last won a season opener. It was 2009. Craig Conroy was still playing for us.
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01-14-2021, 10:30 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Wastedyouth
Does Nordstrom have "Elite PK skills"?
Where you seeing this?
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Watching him play the last 2 seasons?
Last year the Bruins were 3rd best in PK% iirc....Nordstrom was #1 in SHTOI on the team.
He was very good when he was with Carolina as well.
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