[PGT] Flames lose 11th consecutive season opener. 4-3 Jets (OT)

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Andersson was great in the 1st, then struggled.

Tanev was solid the entire game.

I thought Gio's fortunes were similar to Andersson's (no surprise as they were playing together)

I thought Hanifin had a pretty good game as well (maybe because of Tanev). But I didn't like the hit.

I started watching late (missed all the Flames goals) but Andersson was bad when I watched. Tanev was very good. And I really liked Markstrom. I think people here are used to goalies having to make fancy saves. He’s just big and solid.

[AC]

Heh, I discovered that Markstrom doesn't seem to know the word "trapezoid".

https://twitter.com/user/status/1350201095155380224

At 9:00 and 9:15 he seems to think it's just called the "trapper zone".

[EverfresH15]

Not sure if this was posted or not. It ain’t good though.

The unheralded six-pack of Josh Morrissey, Neal Pionk, Tucker Poolman, Derek Forbort, Nathan Beaulieu, and Sami Niku did an adequate job insulating goalie Connor Hellebuyck. Calgary mustered just four high-danger shot attempts at even strength.

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by AC

Heh, I discovered that Markstrom doesn't seem to know the word "trapezoid".

At 9:00 and 9:15 he seems to think it's just called the "trapper zone".

It's hilarious that you caught that.

[Dajazz]

Managed to look at the replay finally. Good god split up the JG and Monahan duo already. Monahan is trying so hard to be the “new” Monahan while JG is stuck in 2017 pattern. Complete mismatch at the moment.

I loved the first line but JG needs Lindholm and Monahan needs Tkachuk. That opens up a lot more options for rotating the right wings.

Backlund and Mangiapane rounds out the third pair of forwards.

That would allow Ward to move around Bennett, Leivo, Simon, Ryan etc depending on who’s hot and/or develops chemistry.

[djsFlames]

No, move Gaudreau to line three with Backlund if you're going to split them.

Don't touch that first line.

[Mr.Coffee]

Exactly maybe move Gaudreau to line 4. If he wants to be the Jim Carey of forwards that’s his prerogative but time to send some messages to Monahan and Gaudreau and by time I mean these messages should’ve been sent like a calendar year ago so I’m praying something changes other than silver platter huge minutes to these entitled lazy players.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Exactly maybe move Gaudreau to line 4. If he wants to be the Jim Carey of forwards that’s his prerogative but time to send some messages to Monahan and Gaudreau and by time I mean these messages should’ve been sent like a calendar year ago so I’m praying something changes other than silver platter huge minutes to these entitled lazy players.

lol WAT

he has had six seasons of above average scoring with three elite seasons...lets not get ridiculous because he was only 2nd on the team in scoring last season

[Sandman]

As much as I like Mony, I think JG needs to play with a more play-driving C. Someone who can maybe go to the dirty areas and compete. He's too often trying to do too much on his own, and that duo is becoming predictable. I still think he's capable of returning to elite numbers.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by EverfresH15

Not sure if this was posted or not. It ain’t good though.

The unheralded six-pack of Josh Morrissey, Neal Pionk, Tucker Poolman, Derek Forbort, Nathan Beaulieu, and Sami Niku did an adequate job insulating goalie Connor Hellebuyck. Calgary mustered just four high-danger shot attempts at even strength.

Forbort literally won the game.for them. He prevented 2 sure Flames goals and on those 2 plays the Jets are +3. Absolutely won the game for his team.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by dino7c

lol WAT

he has had six seasons of above average scoring with three elite seasons...lets not get ridiculous because he was only 2nd on the team in scoring last season

Yeah that was a bit ridiculous and I was exaggerating but my general point is he is / might be fading into oblivion here from “elite” status. Like, I don’t think of him as an elite forward anymore, do you? Or do button hooks, soft passes, giving up on plays and shots with 0.00001% chance do it for ya?

[blender]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Forbort literally won the game.for them. He prevented 2 sure Flames goals and on those 2 plays the Jets are +3. Absolutely won the game for his team.

This is true, and it points to how close the Flames were to winning even when they played well below their best level. Yes, we are disappointed in losing the season opener as usual, but even as uneven a game as they played, they nearly won.

It really isn't that bad, guys.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

that red is just pure fire

yeah especially with the 3rd awarded

Player that has to be in the top six, that's lost a step, that is an ass hat

for

Player that plays in the bottom, that has lost a step, that is solid in the room.

Issue this year through one game is that fourth line ... how much of that is Lucic is hard to say, but clearly he was part of the problem. Last year he was solid in a third line role.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Bingo

yeah especially with the 3rd awarded

Player that has to be in the top six, that's lost a step, that is an ass hat

for

Player that plays in the bottom, that has lost a step, that is solid in the room.

Issue this year through one game is that fourth line ... how much of that is Lucic is hard to say, but clearly he was part of the problem. Last year he was solid in a third line role.

I assume you meant to quote this post?...

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

said both teams

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Yeah that was a bit ridiculous and I was exaggerating but my general point is he is / might be fading into oblivion here from “elite” status. Like, I don’t think of him as an elite forward anymore, do you? Or do button hooks, soft passes, giving up on plays and shots with 0.00001% chance do it for ya?

1 game, 1 goal, 1 point...

He might not be a 99 point player again but he will continue to be a good offensive player...maybe not a guy who carries a team himself but that can't be the bar. Putting him on the fourth line helps nobody.

Bennett almost scored a goal so is the GOAT around here apparently but a guy who actually scored a goal is a bum. Oh CP

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by dino7c

1 game, 1 goal, 1 point...

He might not be a 99 point player again but he will continue to be a good offensive player...maybe not a guy who carries a team himself but that can't be the bar. Putting him on the fourth line helps nobody.

Bennett almost scored a goal so is the GOAT around here apparently but a guy who actually scored a goal is a bum. Oh CP

I think the problem is we have seen him play better. 1 goal pack it in for the night when the guy has the ability to put up 2-3 pts a night. And if not, at least look like you’re trying is all I ask.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by dino7c

1 game, 1 goal, 1 point...

He might not be a 99 point player again but he will continue to be a good offensive player...maybe not a guy who carries a team himself but that can't be the bar. Putting him on the fourth line helps nobody.

Bennett almost scored a goal so is the around here apparently but a guy who actually scored a goal is a bum. Oh CP

Can I see a list of who called Sam Bennett the greatest of all time?

You don't think expectation levels for Gaudreau should be (are) higher than for Bennett?

I think he's trying for the record ... but he has to get away from this year and a half trend to shoot from the outside. Pucks and positioning have to go to the middle.

Until he does that teams have the book ... let him go wide and nothing happens.

Hope he figures it out.

[AC]

Johnny also had several plays where he'd get the puck along the boards inside the defensive zone and have time and room to skate it out if need be, but just turned and flipped it into the air for a turnover. A couple times failing to even get it out for a chance against.

He's looked off at even strength for a while unfortunately. But as we push Tkachuk/Lindholm into 1st line minutes it should hopefully allow better matchups at ES for the Gaudreau/Monahan line, otherwise they may just be PP specialists predominantly.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Can I see a list of who called Sam Bennett the greatest of all time?

You don't think expectation levels for Gaudreau should be (are) higher than for Bennett?

I think he's trying for the record ... but he has to get away from this year and a half trend to shoot from the outside. Pucks and positioning have to go to the middle.

Until he does that teams have the book ... let him go wide and nothing happens.

Hope he figures it out.

Any time he tries something new he falls. It's like he has the know how, but just can't get his hands/feet to go along with it. So instead, he sticks to the outside where it's easier

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Can I see a list of who called Sam Bennett the greatest of all time?

You don't think expectation levels for Gaudreau should be (are) higher than for Bennett?

I think he's trying for the record ... but he has to get away from this year and a half trend to shoot from the outside. Pucks and positioning have to go to the middle.

Until he does that teams have the book ... let him go wide and nothing happens.

Hope he figures it out.

Only part I just kind of disagree with is the “trying” part. He skates hard, no doubt for the most part.

But for me trying is also going to the net, driving to the net, trying to stick handle / deke around guys, trying to make plays and be creative. Getting back to being the unpredictable shifty forward that made defensemen back off because they didn’t know what his next move would be.

That’s trying. Skating sure... but other than that is he really trying? Not really. How often does he take a hit to make a play? How hard is he on the puck? Like AC says what’s with the defensive zone weak play and not getting the puck out?

Come on. He can try harder. I would think much harder. And stop pouting and believe in yourself is what I hope the coaches are telling him because he (I think at least) has the ability to be truly great and a lot of this is mental and heart not his skill or speed or whatever. Again looks to me like the guy got paid and- “yeah that’s good enough for me” now kinda thing.