2020/2021 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

It’s a border issue to Americans. It’s just more hassle for mom to move to a foreign country for seven months of the year, or cross an international border many times a season. A lot of Americans go their entire lives without traveling outside the U.S.

That last part is an over generalization that likely doesn’t apply to pro athletes and their families, who are no strangers to international travel.

Let’s face it, the biggest reasons athletes prefer US is likely weather, taxes and lifestyle/entertainment options. Unwillingness to cross US Canada border is probably quite a bit further down the list.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Not sure what it would take but Gabe Vilardi remains a guy I would try and go get

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

Eichel has 5 years of fair(ish) value.

vs.

Monahan has 2 years of fair(ish) value.
Tkachuk has 1 more year of ??? value, followed by ????????


Although our picks have a strong chance of being top 10, I don't think BUF would be interested, let alone adding a 2nd.

For Calgary, I'd do it in a heartbeat and I'd even ditch the 2nd if I can top 5 protect the 1st.

You think the value of Monny and Eichel on a per year basis is about equal?


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[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

You think the value of Monny and Eichel on a per year basis is about equal?


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I think he’s saying that Monahan at $6.3 might be fairish (generous), and it’s only 2 more years. Eichel at $10M is fairish (generous this year for sure) and it’s 5 more years. $10M is a pretty hard contract to live up to and I’d bet there will be years he doesn’t. BUT I think the chances are Eichel will, just not with Buffalo. Monahan is a way bigger question mark.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Not sure what it would take but Gabe Vilardi remains a guy I would try and go get

If TheFourthPeriod is to be believed, Noah Hanifin would fit what they’re after. They were rumoured to be after a young top pairing defenceman.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

You think the value of Monny and Eichel on a per year basis is about equal?


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No. You get 5 years of an A to A+ asset in Eichel.


2 years of B to A- in Monahan.

2-? years of B+ to A in Tkachuk. If it's Buffalo, it's almost certainly 1 yr at 7M and 1 at 9M.


So probably 4 years of inferior production (total cap hit ~$28M) vs. 5 yrs (total cap hit $50M). If we assume each player's value is fair(ish) to his AAV, then those could almost just consider those numbers as values on each side of a trade scale (albeit a gross oversimplification to be sure)


I really don't see why BUF would be interested in Tkachuk without an extension in place. And given the cap, I don't see any reason for Tkachuk to do anything but take his QO or a big ticket deal...

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Not sure what it would take but Gabe Vilardi remains a guy I would try and go get

Yeah I love that kid, he would check a lot of boxes for us-big, fast C. With all the quality young centers coming up in their system like Byfield, Turcotte, Anderson-Dolan, and Kupari, perhaps they feel they could afford to trade him to us for someone like Hanifin, as stated above....

[shutout]

Originally Posted by Sandman

Yeah I love that kid, he would check a lot of boxes for us-big, fast C. With all the quality young centers coming up in their system like Byfield, Turcotte, Anderson-Dolan, and Kupari, perhaps they feel they could afford to trade him to us for someone like Hanifin, as stated above....

Never heard of Vilardi as being fast.
I think that one of his biggest problems is lack of footspeed.

[CalgaryFan1988]

I wonder what Gaudreau's value would be with an extension in place (acquiring team able to negotiate prior to trade).

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

I wonder what Gaudreau's value would be with an extension in place (acquiring team able to negotiate prior to trade).

It really shouldn't be any more, as it's the acquiring team's ability to get that in place, and really has nothing do with Calgary. it didn't seem to make any difference to Stone.

In reality, it does make a difference.

Although, I think any team trading for Johnny would want to see how he performs and which Johnny are they getting.

Plus, I assume this means the trade would occur after his NTC kicks in.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

2 years of B to A- in Monahan.

That might be charitable.

Based on his cap hit, he's performing at likely a D level.

If teams knew he would be at 2021 level during the next 2 years, he would go unclaimed on waivers.

I think he's hard to move for any value unless he proves he's healthy and more productive. Which means I doubt he's moved in the offseason.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

It really shouldn't be any more, as it's the acquiring team's ability to get that in place, and really has nothing do with Calgary. it didn't seem to make any difference to Stone.

In reality, it does make a difference.

Although, I think any team trading for Johnny would want to see how he performs and which Johnny are they getting.

Plus, I assume this means the trade would occur after his NTC kicks in.

I always forget about his NTC.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

That might be charitable.

Based on his cap hit, he's performing at likely a D level.

If teams knew he would be at 2021 level during the next 2 years, he would go unclaimed on waivers.

I think he's hard to move for any value unless he proves he's healthy and more productive. Which means I doubt he's moved in the offseason.

His trade value is a big question mark. I think he's movable, but Treliving will need to have a plausible story to explain his steep decline.

he should have been moved for picks at last draft but even then, return likely would have been disappointing.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

His trade value is a big question mark. I think he's movable, but Treliving will need to have a plausible story to explain his steep decline.

he should have been moved for picks at last draft but even then, return likely would have been disappointing.

Other teams have pro scouts too, it's going to take more than a story. Thankfully NHL GMs all have big egos and they all seem to think they can turn players around.

Bennett's Florida performance might actually really help with the perceived value of some of our mediocre players.

[CliffFletcher]

The problem with Monahan is he doesn’t do many of the things expected of an NHL centre. I struggle to think of other pure sniper centres in the league, guys who don’t carry the puck, come back deep, distribute the puck, cycle the puck well, or kill penalties. Monahan really is an anomaly.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

The problem with Monahan is he doesn’t do many of the things expected of an NHL centre. I struggle to think of other pure sniper centres in the league, guys who don’t carry the puck, come back deep, distribute the puck, cycle the puck well, or kill penalties. Monahan really is an anomaly.

Well, he does kill penalties now, and he’s carrying and cycling more with Mangiapane, but it’s a bit late to develop fully.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Sandman

Yeah I love that kid, he would check a lot of boxes for us-big, fast C. With all the quality young centers coming up in their system like Byfield, Turcotte, Anderson-Dolan, and Kupari, perhaps they feel they could afford to trade him to us for someone like Hanifin, as stated above....

Why in the world would we trade Hanifin to a division rival for a non guaranteed #1 C? That would nicely set the team back.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Why in the world would we trade Hanifin to a division rival for a non guaranteed #1 C? That would nicely set the team back.

Hanifin as a 24 year old D man who you’d expect has maybe 8-10 more years, is part of the rebuild, not the price of it. He may never be an offensive catalyst but he looks to be a high minute solid defender like a Jaybo.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Hanifin as a 24 year old D man who you’d expect has maybe 8-10 more years, is part of the rebuild, not the price of it. He may never be an offensive catalyst but he looks to be a high minute solid defender like a Jaybo.

So we agree? Things are getting weird around here.

[bigrangy]

It has to happen now to make sense

Lafreniere for Tkachuk at 50%

NYR gets the guaranteed gritty star and Flames go back to build mode

Of course, Gaudreau/Monahan/Gio all get traded in separate deals as well