2015/2016 Trade Speculation and Rumors v2

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by heep223

Why would the Pens trade Murray? I thought they considered him their next franchise goalie?

They likely wouldn't.

The discussion came up (again) in reference to using the #27 and #35 picks.

To me, that is a more reasonable conversation. If I am Pitt, I am protecting Murray before MAF. However, for those picks, I might be willing to run with MAF and the picks.

Vinny's proposal seems pretty unlikely to me. (But if a package for Murray included a goalie, I think they would want McDonald before Ortio - and Gillies before either of them)

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

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Alexander Radulov confirms he will play in the #NHL next season

Depending on what his contract demands are like, I really think BT should be in on this.

Left shot, but a RW and he'd be our 2nd best winger behind Gaudreau if he signed here.

Gaudreau - Monahan - Radulov

I could see him potting 25+ goals and 60+ points playing with Johnny.

EDIT: His NHLe from the KHL figures that he'd be at or close to point per game in the NHL. (if I did it right)

Panarin had the same KHL numbers before coming over as Radulov had last year, and he was pretty close to point per game here. Yeah, I'd be all over this if I was Treliving.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by heep223

Why would the Pens trade Murray? I thought they considered him their next franchise goalie?

Also, forgot to mention, MAF has an NMC. If they are forced to protect him, they won't be able to protect Murray.

That makes trading Murray substantially more likely.

[nightfx]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Depending on what his contract demands are like, I really think BT should be in on this.

Left shot, but a RW and he'd be our 2nd best winger behind Gaudreau if he signed here.

Gaudreau - Monahan - Radulov

I could see him potting 25+ goals and 60+ points playing with Johnny.

EDIT: His NHLe from the KHL figures that he'd be at or close to point per game in the NHL. (if I did it right)

Panarin had the same KHL numbers before coming over as Radulov had last year, and he was pretty close to point per game here. Yeah, I'd be all over this if I was Treliving.

Radulov would put up 60+ points playing with pretty much anybody, the only concern is how he is as a teammate.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Yeah, I'd be all over this if I was Treliving.

Pretty sure all rumours point towards the Avs.

[TheScorpion]

I don't care if Radulov is a sweet cherry pie. I want him on the Flames.

[dammage79]

You can probably work out a good deal with the Pens for Fleury, I don't see any way they let Murray go. Kid looks great.

I also would not mind M.A Fleury on the Flames either. He's used to playing behind the style of hockey the Flames play. He'd fit well here.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by dammage79

You can probably work out a good deal with the Pens for Fleury, I don't see any way they let Murray go. Kid looks great.

I also would not mind M.A Fleury on the Flames either. He's used to playing behind the style of hockey the Flames play. He'd fit well here.

Why let them off the hook and trade for MAF?

As it stands, they have to protect him. So go after Murray.

Also, MAF seems (from far away) to love Pitt and I would imagine he is not in a hurry to waive his NMC.

So again, unless they can pull a rabbit out of their arses, I would imagine they will be forced to trade Murray.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Why let them off the hook and trade for MAF?

As it stands, they have to protect him. So go after Murray.

Also, MAF seems (from far away) to love Pitt and I would imagine he is not in a hurry to waive his NMC.

So again, unless they can pull a rabbit out of their arses, I would imagine they will be forced to trade Murray.

I think you're wrong. The younger asset always stays. especially since the younger asset is essentially replacing Fleury as we speak. NTC or not. Fleury will move before Murray. And the expansion process has not been finalized yet so making absolute arguments about who gets protected or not is premature and foolhardy.

EDIT: And what this "letting PITT off the hook for Fleury" thing all about? Did I miss something where Fleury cap hit or contract was Wideman-esque?

Double EDIT: Fleury's not Lunquist or Quick where he's cemented there for eternity. I don't see that in this scenario.

[Strange Brew]

Schneider went for 9th overall. That has to be the ballpark for Murray, assuming Pens end up dealing him.

[Poe969]

I think if the pens really want to keep Murray and trade Fleury, they'll either retain salary or find a team he'd waive to go to and practically give him to them. If they're stuck, they'll be dealing from a position of weakness.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I think you're wrong. The younger asset always stays. especially since the younger asset is essentially replacing Fleury as we speak. NTC or not. Fleury will move before Murray. And the expansion process has not been finalized yet so making absolute arguments about who gets protected or not is premature and foolhardy.

EDIT: And what this "letting PITT off the hook for Fleury" thing all about? Did I miss something where Fleury cap hit or contract was Wideman-esque?

The younger asset doesn't always stay. Remember the nucks trading Schneider and keeping Luongo?

..and this is different than any normal situation anyways, with an expansion draft looming and them being forced to protect Fleury as their only goalie.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Poe969

I think if the pens really want to keep Murray and trade Fleury, they'll either retain salary or find a team he'd waive to go to and practically give him to them. If they're stuck, they'll be dealing from a position of weakness.

You may be dead on there. Any reason to believe he'd waive for the Flames?

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Schneider went for 9th overall. That has to be the ballpark for Murray, assuming Pens end up dealing him.

I don't think so Tim.

Schneider had put up elite numbers in the league for more than 100 games, by the time of his trade.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I think you're wrong. The younger asset always stays. especially since the younger asset is essentially replacing Fleury as we speak. NTC or not. Fleury will move before Murray. And the expansion process has not been finalized yet so making absolute arguments about who gets protected or not is premature and foolhardy.

EDIT: And what this "letting PITT off the hook for Fleury" thing all about? Did I miss something where Fleury cap hit or contract was Wideman-esque?

Double EDIT: Fleury's not Lunquist or Quick where he's cemented there for eternity. I don't see that in this scenario.

Yes, all the talk about the expansion draft is speculative. THat has been stated multiple times. But based on today's update that speculates that NMCs will have to be protected, that would apply to MAF.

And therefore, speculating that Murray could be available is a pretty reasonable net step.

Of course Pitt would rather keep Murray than Fleury. However, they may not have that option. Unless some team lets them off the hook by trading for Fleury (assuming he would even agree to it), they will be forced to move Murray or risk losing him in the draft.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

They likely wouldn't.

The discussion came up (again) in reference to using the #27 and #35 picks.

To me, that is a more reasonable conversation. If I am Pitt, I am protecting Murray before MAF. However, for those picks, I might be willing to run with MAF and the picks.

Vinny's proposal seems pretty unlikely to me. (But if a package for Murray included a goalie, I think they would want McDonald before Ortio - and Gillies before either of them)

My proposal included McDonald in addition to Ortio and the 2nd. Ortio backs up Fleury next year and McDonald is a potential goalie of the future. 35th pick helps the fact the Pens do not have a first

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Schneider went for 9th overall. That has to be the ballpark for Murray, assuming Pens end up dealing him.

Schneider had more of a track record. And the expansion draft forces their hand.

So I think the price would be lower.

A couple 2nds (or the 1st and 2nd if it becomes that) should be enough IMO

[GoJetsGo]

What would people think about 6/7 overall (were we drafting in that spot) for Schneider ?

I know it's very unlikely Jersery would do that, but they are a bad team being held to that no-man's land spot by great goaltending. On the remote chance they wanted to blow things up and would consider that, what would the thought be on our end?

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

I don't think so Tim.

Schneider had put up elite numbers in the league for more than 100 games, by the time of his trade.

Sorry don't get the Tim reference. Murray is an elite prospect and although he has less NHL experience than Schneider had, I suspect his value will be comparable.

If the Flames end up with the 8th pick in the draft I would not blow my brains out if they flipped it for Murray. Am I over rating him?

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Sorry don't get the Tim reference. Murray is an elite prospect and although he has less NHL experience than Schneider had, I suspect his value will be comparable.

If the Flames end up with the 8th pick in the draft I would not blow my brains out if they flipped it for Murray. Am I over rating him?