Doug Gilmour tells his story on being traded

[CedarMeter]

That video gives me a stomach ache. What a horrible trade.

[LIP MAN]

Originally Posted by Pellanor

I lived two doors down from him and went to school with his daughter. I didn't really follow hockey at the time, so to me the trade meant losing a friend.

Ooh, you lived in Deer River? Hada ton of friends there. I remember playing street hockey with Gilmour, Roberts and Berube at times. Crazy.

[calgaryred]

Doug Gilmour was stupid to leave the Flames he did more for his career in his short stint as a Flame then as a Leaf. In Toronto his number is retired, with the Flames he was a Stanley Cup Champion GWG.

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[1Nite]

I still think there was some sort of tampering by Fletcher, may have told Gilmour something like "don't worry I'll take care of things".

That's my conspiracy theory for today.

[Mightyfire89]

Originally Posted by 1Nite

I still think there was some sort of tampering by Fletcher, may have told Gilmour something like "don't worry I'll take care of things".

That's my conspiracy theory for today.

Certainly not out of the realm of possibility. I somewhat lean towards the same idea.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by chockfullofgoodness

I'm pretty sure the babysitter rumours happened when he played in St Louis. But, yeah, awful, awful trade.

The lawsuits and allegations with the baby sitter were the only reason why we were able to acquire Gilmour in the first place.

Interesting that Sportsnet - and possibly Gilmour - didn't mention the amount of tampering the Flames were involved with on his arbitration case either. We're damn lucky that it was Eagleson at the head of the NHLPA at that time instead of Goodenow.

[Fire in the disco]

Originally Posted by LIP MAN

Ooh, you lived in Deer River? Hada ton of friends there. I remember playing street hockey with Gilmour, Roberts and Berube at times. Crazy.

2 blocks down in Deer Run, had a ton of friends in Deer River though as well, we probably played street hockey together. I actually don’t know if I remember playing with Berube, definitely Roberts though, and Nieuwendyk a couple times, though I’m not sure if he ever lived there, might have just been hanging out lol. Great memories

[Dion]

Originally Posted by CSharp

He got traded for a frickin lousy $623,000!!! And in addition, McCoun, Nattress and Manderville were part of that trade! If that didn't hurt, the Flames also lost Niewendyk and McInnis due to the Flames going cheap! Maybe the baby sitter thing accounted for part of the decision to trade Gilmour, but to add in McCoun and Nattress? Talk about stupidity and bad management or what!

Gilmour quit on his team and the players. Good riddance!

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

I'm more interested in his thoughts on his trade to Calgary. I obviously won't support him by buying the book but I wonder if he'll discuss the baby sitter stuff at all.

I really don't/can't hold that whole accusation against him. He went and testified before a grand jury for 2 hours IIRC, and the evidence simply didnt exist. They tried to get it to trial but just couldn't justify it.

That combined with the girls attorney getting charged with trying to extort money from the Blues in exchange for silence, sealed it for me.

I know that there was a time they wanted to go after him in a civil suit but i never did hear anything beyond that if there was a settlement or dismissal or whatever.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by transplant99

I really don't/can't hold that whole accusation against him. He went and testified before a grand jury for 2 hours IIRC, and the evidence simply didnt exist. They tried to get it to trial but just couldn't justify it.

That combined with the girls attorney getting charged with trying to extort money from the Blues in exchange for silence, sealed it for me.

If you want to give the benefit of the doubt to Gilmour as he wasn't convicted of rape, that's fine. I mean, innocent until proven guilty is a great mantra to live by.

But essentially you're calling a 13 year old, who may have been raped, a liar because the lawyer her parents hired did something illegal? Or what else can you mean by "sealed it."

There wasn't much evidence. The parents found a diary with explicit details regarding their 13 year old daughter and Gilmour. The daughter confessed to them that she had sex with Gilmour. Gilmour denied it. There wasn't much evidence because that's the nature of these type of incidents. Especially when we're talking 1988 and there's no sexting or dick pics to look at. I don't know how you can so callously disregard a 13 year old who may have been raped like that though. It's one of the reason people who are raped don't come forward because they don't have evidence and people will dismiss them so quickly.

Of course we'll never know the truth, but I think it's entirely classless to essentially say that Gilmour didn't rape her and she made it up as suggested in your post. It could be the case, it might not be.

[Insane_Flame]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

If you want to give the benefit of the doubt to Gilmour as he wasn't convicted of rape, that's fine. I mean, innocent until proven guilty is a great mantra to live by.

But essentially you're calling a 13 year old, who may have been raped, a liar because the lawyer her parents hired did something illegal? Or what else can you mean by "sealed it."

There wasn't much evidence. The parents found a diary with explicit details regarding their 13 year old daughter and Gilmour. The daughter confessed to them that she had sex with Gilmour. Gilmour denied it. There wasn't much evidence because that's the nature of these type of incidents. Especially when we're talking 1988 and there's no sexting or dick pics to look at. I don't know how you can so callously disregard a 13 year old who may have been raped like that though. It's one of the reason people who are raped don't come forward because they don't have evidence and people will dismiss them so quickly.

Of course we'll never know the truth, but I think it's entirely classless to essentially say that Gilmour didn't rape her and she made it up as suggested in your post. It could be the case, it might not be.

Did he not say he mostly believes he is innocent because of the fact that the girls family tried to profit from the situation? And OMG, what an aweful thing to believe in "innocent until proven guilty". Move along white knight.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Insane_Flame

Did he not say he mostly believes he is innocent because of the fact that the girls family tried to profit from the situation?

I would say he said more than "mostly believes". He said "sealed the deal" for him. What the lawyer did was despicable but should have no bearing on the parents or especially the child who says she was raped. A civil suit is perfectly legitimate response when a criminal conviction can not be achieved (see OJ Simpson). As is a defamation suit if you're innocent.

"White knight" because I don't think we should dismiss 13 year olds who say they've been raped. Big Roy Moore fan are you?

[Insane_Flame]

Interestingly enough I just ran across this post from hockeyfights.com from 2004 talking about blues locker room cancers.

The word i heard about the babysitter incident was much different. About 10 years ago i dated a hottie who was seeing Gilmour just before we went out, he told her that he rubbed the babysitters face in dogsh*t because she stole something from his house, apparently she cried "rape" after that and he was in sh*t himself

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

If you want to give the benefit of the doubt to Gilmour as he wasn't convicted of rape, that's fine. I mean, innocent until proven guilty is a great mantra to live by.

But essentially you're calling a 13 year old, who may have been raped, a liar because the lawyer her parents hired did something illegal? Or what else can you mean by "sealed it."

There wasn't much evidence. The parents found a diary with explicit details regarding their 13 year old daughter and Gilmour. The daughter confessed to them that she had sex with Gilmour. Gilmour denied it. There wasn't much evidence because that's the nature of these type of incidents. Especially when we're talking 1988 and there's no sexting or dick pics to look at. I don't know how you can so callously disregard a 13 year old who may have been raped like that though. It's one of the reason people who are raped don't come forward because they don't have evidence and people will dismiss them so quickly.

Of course we'll never know the truth, but I think it's entirely classless to essentially say that Gilmour didn't rape her and she made it up as suggested in your post. It could be the case, it might not be.

So in your world, all accusations are real and true every single time?

Again, this cased was heavily investigated including calling a grand jury. Normally a DA with even a hint of solid evidence could get even a ham sandwich indicted. They couldn't even meet that burden here.

As for the last bolded...so its OK to claim one side of that conclusion, but "entirely classless" to believe in the other?

I will bow out at this point then.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by transplant99

So in your world, all accusations are real and true every single time?

Nope. Not once have I said that or even implied it.

In my world though I do not dismiss the statement of a 13 year old girl who says she was raped because the person she happened to accuse played for my favourite hockey team or that her parents' lawyer was a scummy individual.

Originally Posted by transplant99

As for the last bolded...so its OK to claim one side of that conclusion, but "entirely classless" to believe in the other?

I will bow out at this point then.

At no point have I said that Gilmour did it and it was "sealed" for me. Outside of maybe a couple jokes, I have never even suggested that it was at all likely that he did do it. In the quote you bolded, I explicitly stated it could have happened or it might not have. I wasn't there. I'm just not prepared to call a 13 year old potential rape victim a liar, to each their own I guess...

[icarus]

Originally Posted by Pellanor

I lived two doors down from him and went to school with his daughter. I didn't really follow hockey at the time, so to me the trade meant losing a friend.

Me too! (Well, went to school with his daughter, that is. I did not knowingly live four doors down from you nor with you.)

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Nope. Not once have I said that or even implied it.

In my world though I do not dismiss the statement of a 13 year old girl who says she was raped because the person she happened to accuse played for my favourite hockey team or that her parents' lawyer was a scummy individual.



At no point have I said that Gilmour did it and it was "sealed" for me. Outside of maybe a couple jokes, I have never even suggested that it was at all likely that he did do it. In the quote you bolded, I explicitly stated it could have happened or it might not have. I wasn't there. I'm just not prepared to call a 13 year old potential rape victim a liar, to each their own I guess...

Had 14 year Jane Doe went to her parents or the police I would agree, Her parents read about "sexual" encounters with Gilmour in her diary and instead of calling the cops to investigate they hired the sleaziest lawyer this side of James "Jimmy" McGill to extort money from Doug and the Blues.

This went away mostly because some of the "encounters" in the diary were when Doug was on the road or just didn't fit a timeline. The lawyer was arrested for extortion and I hope the young lady learned not to write her fantasies in a diary.

[flambers]

Interesting article, however those of us who are old enough.

I bet have heard a different version of the story....

(Calgary to Toronto trade)

[VladtheImpaler]

Further to OR's and T99's discussion, did Gilmour not marry a 17/18 year-old MLG page upon retirement? While that in no way proves the stat rape allegation, it does suggest his creep meter goes to 11...

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

This went away mostly because some of the "encounters" in the diary were when Doug was on the road or just didn't fit a timeline. The lawyer was arrested for extortion and I hope the young lady learned not to write her fantasies in a diary.

Can you provide any source for this information?