Yost: Grading each team's blue line depth

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Bingo

So it's your actual view that the Oilers blueline is better than the Flames blueline both last year and this year based on total team wins (not points or any other stats) and plus/minus in a 5 game series where Calgary's best dman was either injured or missing and two of the game's elite players went off on inhuman scoring binges?

Not at all ... Not trash is a not saying that they are better than the Flames.

They were good enough to cope with the Best line in the NHL and make them look pretty ordinary while their best guys went on a rampage.

Just giving credit where credit is due.

Playing your game:

It is your actual view that the Flames had an epic failure in the Oiler series and it should have been a cake walk and no real cause for celebration had the Flame shredded the Oiler patch work defense as expected.

In your mind do you really expect that the Flames will finish 7 or more points ahead of the Oilers in the regular season and it would be shocking that the Oilers finish in the top-3 with their substandard defense?


as to the Flame defense depth being exposed with the Tanev injury the Oilers beat the Flames playing the worst starting goalie in the NHL or a the very best the worst goalie on a playoff team.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Not at all ... Not trash is a not saying that they are better than the Flames.

They were good enough to cope with the Best line in the NHL and make them look pretty ordinary while their best guys went on a rampage.

Just giving credit where credit is due.

Playing your game:

It is your actual view that the Flames had an epic failure in the Oiler series and it should have been a cake walk and no real cause for celebration had the Flame shredded the Oiler patch work defense as expected.

In your mind do you really expect that the Flames will finish 7 or more points ahead of the Oilers in the regular season and it would be shocking that the Oilers finish in the top-3 with their substandard defense?


as to the Flame defense depth being exposed with the Tanev injury the Oilers beat the Flames playing the worst starting goalie in the NHL or a the very best the worst goalie on a playoff team.

Holy moly bud, a lot to unpack here.

First the Flames/Oilers series…. Jakob Markstrom was a Shooter Tudor that’s the end of the story. Flames led 3-1 in game 2 and that should have been easy to close out. They go up 2-0 and likely finish the Coil in 4 or 5.

I expect the Flames to be 7 points better than the Oilers in the regular season. I am expecting the Oilers are going to be fighting for a playoff spot and likely only get in as a wildcard if at all. Their defense and goaltending is significantly weaker and they will get over the coaching bump from the Beav.

The Oilers are a team who should not have gotten by the first round and certainly wouldn’t have without Doughty being on LTIR. Then run into Markstrom doing his Kosky impersonation. Then got absolutely annihilated by the Avs. The Oilers are not truly a ‘made it to the Conference Finals’ caliber team. They stand a higher chance of missing the playoffs than repeating that.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Not at all ... Not trash is a not saying that they are better than the Flames.

They were good enough to cope with the Best line in the NHL and make them look pretty ordinary while their best guys went on a rampage.

Just giving credit where credit is due.

Playing your game:

It is your actual view that the Flames had an epic failure in the Oiler series and it should have been a cake walk and no real cause for celebration had the Flame shredded the Oiler patch work defense as expected.

In your mind do you really expect that the Flames will finish 7 or more points ahead of the Oilers in the regular season and it would be shocking that the Oilers finish in the top-3 with their substandard defense?


as to the Flame defense depth being exposed with the Tanev injury the Oilers beat the Flames playing the worst starting goalie in the NHL or a the very best the worst goalie on a playoff team.

Yeah that's fair ... I'm personally not calling the Oilers defense trash.

But in that series they actually gave up more than the Flames did straight by the numbers but the Flames couldn't finish to the same degree because they didn't have the two generational players popping off (and I think there's an argument that the Oilers high danger stuff was more dangerous).

Oilers in that series had a 5 on 5 expected goals against of 2.97, 2nd worst of the 8 teams. The flames 2.61 which was 3rd best.

Don't confuse offensive skill and a goaltending disparity with better defenseman. The true answer isn't all that clear.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

Holy moly bud, a lot to unpack here.

First the Flames/Oilers series…. Jakob Markstrom was a Shooter Tudor that’s the end of the story. Flames led 3-1 in game 2 and that should have been easy to close out. They go up 2-0 and likely finish the Coil in 4 or 5.

[dino7c]

Oilers D sucked already and lost their #3 playoff minute guy
The fact they won the series because of McDrai is pretty irrelevant to their D sucking

McDavid/Drai

Playoff Tkachuk/Gaudreau

who do you guys think is harder to defend?

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Oilers D sucked already and lost their #3 playoff minute guy
The fact they won the series because of McDrai is pretty irrelevant to their D sucking

McDavid/Drai

Playoff Tkachuk/Gaudreau

who do you guys think is harder to defend?

Well if the league didn’t have a rule that you can’t knock down McDrai without going to the penalty box they would be very simple to defend

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Feaster ruined Sven by grossly overhyping him in the media. Feaster was brutal at overhyping everything related to the Flames from how great Weisbroad was to Jankowski and Baerstchi.

Burke tried to chill the hype out but came across as burying him to many fans

"Best player outside the NHL" (Cervenka)

"Best goalie outside the NHL" (Ramo, I think?)

[BrownDrake]

3 of our 4 highest ever draft picks, all taken in the last decade are gone. I am excited in the change but we’re all gonna be grumbling in 4 years if we haven’t been to a cup final. I can’t think of many teams in the modern era that have won a cup on free agency without a real good core of high contributors that were drafted, we definitely aren’t the young guns now, we are the hired guns.
Let’s see how it works but I’m not super optimistic.

[Mull]

I read a quote on reddit about our contract issues in a few years, basically something like "ya they will face cap issues in 4-5 years, but 20+ teams in the league would kill to have their situation"


Like, people don't realize, getting a window is huge

[Macman]

But that’s the downside of going the rebuild route, there’s no guarantee that your top draft picks will turn into players that can get it done for you. That’s what we’ve seen here now with the Flames. Still very good players but seemingly can’t break through that ceiling although we had a winning team and won the Pacific last year.

[Flamesfan05]

Flames D on paper is top notch except for an elite #1

That said, they all need to show up when it counts

[Kasi]

I think Weegar by most metrics is an elite number 1. He is the most highly rated by analytics of the three stars we brought in.

[cral12]

Rather than start a new thread, THW author did a NHL team ranking by D.

Flames 15th. Yikes - not sure how much stock to put into this (like none). I think they're easy Top 5!
But don't mind being underdogs.

"ANALYSIS: The Calgary Flames’ defensive unit is easy to underappreciate. With the addition of Weegar, this is a formable core that you could argue should be higher up this list. They feature solid depth, and while they don’t have a star to anchor them, they also don’t have any glaring holes either. Overall, this is a playoff-worthy defense that should hopefully take another step this season."

https://thehockeywriters.com/ranking...by-defencemen/

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by cral12

Rather than start a new thread, THW author did a NHL team ranking by D.

Flames 15th. I think their easy Top 5!
But don't mind being underdogs.

"ANALYSIS: The Calgary Flames’ defensive unit is easy to underappreciate. With the addition of Weegar, this is a formable core that you could argue should be higher up this list. They feature solid depth, and while they don’t have a star to anchor them, they also don’t have any glaring holes either. Overall, this is a playoff-worthy defense that should hopefully take another step this season."

https://thehockeywriters.com/ranking...by-defencemen/

He has the Islanders at 7th. Who is Eugene Helfrick?

[dino7c]

THW seem to be Flames haters...that ranking is beyond ridiculous. They were one of the best last season and added Weegar

[djsFlames]

I thought that was an overall ranking. But a ranking of defenses?!?

Wow.......

Underrated much.

[GioforPM]

As far as I can tell from what's been linked here, THW is crapola.

[looooob]

Originally Posted by cral12

Rather than start a new thread, THW author did a NHL team ranking by D.

Flames 15th. Yikes - not sure how much stock to put into this (like none). I think they're easy Top 5!
But don't mind being underdogs.

"ANALYSIS: The Calgary Flames’ defensive unit is easy to underappreciate. With the addition of Weegar, this is a formable core that you could argue should be higher up this list. They feature solid depth, and while they don’t have a star to anchor them, they also don’t have any glaring holes either. Overall, this is a playoff-worthy defense that should hopefully take another step this season."

https://thehockeywriters.com/ranking...by-defencemen/

yeah. eesh. just as one example , Dallas substract Klingberg, Calgary add Weegar and Dallas 3 places ahead of Calgary? does not compute

[djsFlames]

If it can be argued they should be higher up, then they probably should be higher up. Lol.

[CaptainYooh]

Originally Posted by cral12

Rather than start a new thread, THW author did a NHL team ranking by D.
...

https://thehockeywriters.com/ranking...by-defencemen/

Thanks for the link. But this is a crappy web-page full of click-baits and a really shallow meaningless snippets presented as "analysis". There is nothing there even resembling the analysis.