08-10-2022, 07:48 PM
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I think Weegar is going to add another dimension to this d core. Hanifin was better o wise last year. Weegar is going to be a better pp option.
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08-10-2022, 07:59 PM
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Harry Lime
Neither Mackey nor valimaki will make it through waivers. It will be interesting to see which one the flames decide to keep up.
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They would both 100% make it through waivers. Who on earth would commit a D spot for one of those guys?
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08-10-2022, 09:11 PM
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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I have always thought that Yost is a know-nothing hack. This tracks.
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08-10-2022, 09:12 PM
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#44
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Originally Posted by VilleN
They would both 100% make it through waivers. Who on earth would commit a D spot for one of those guys?
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Yeah, exactly. Every team will have players like this that they will be pushing through waivers to start the season.
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08-10-2022, 09:58 PM
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: speculating about AHL players
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Originally Posted by ComixZone
Endlessly negative towards Vali, Scorp. Give the lad a chance, open your heart! I feel like you’re overlooking just how little pro-time Vali has. Injuries and the pandemic have certainly taken a toll, but I’m still optimistic when it comes to Vali.
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I have a Valimaki jersey! I can see a future where he gets his skating to a point where he's capable of being a third-pair NHL defender, but I don't think it'll be this year and I am really doubtful that it'll be in Calgary.
I'm rooting for him but I also have to call it like I see it. He struggled badly for the Heat during their playoff run, to the point where he was playing on the third pair in pretty limited minutes.
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08-10-2022, 10:07 PM
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#46
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Calgary
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Even if Valimaki were to improve 100%, I just don't think Sutter would give him a chance. I feel like Mackey is a more prototypical Sutter player. I expect Val to be moved, one way or another.
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08-10-2022, 10:07 PM
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#47
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Section 120
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When I opened this article I immediately went to check how overrated the Oilers D would be, and it’s perfect.
This Flames D with Markstrom and Sutter is going to be very difficult to score against.
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08-11-2022, 09:31 AM
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#48
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Originally Posted by cral12
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My exact reaction... wtf is Yost smoking? They're every bit as bad as Vancouver is... and at the top end Hughes is miles better than Nurse.
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08-11-2022, 09:41 AM
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#49
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague
My exact reaction... wtf is Yost smoking? They're every bit as bad as Vancouver is... and at the top end Hughes is miles better than Nurse.
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12 teams are solid or above at all positions including EDM (Colorado, Nash, Carolina, Minny, Tor, Boston, STL, Fla, TBL, NJD, Vegas)
mostly that is a list of what one might consider as well constructed or deep teams (NJD is of course interesting). Even if the Oilers end up being a successful team that (balanced/deep) isn't how I would view them (they are rightly in the very top tier at C- assuming you put both of their big guys there) but otherwise..
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08-11-2022, 09:51 AM
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Washington: Maybe the quietest statistic out there: the Capitals outscored opponents 71-41 (+30) with Nick Jensen on the ice last season, a staggering number and one only topped by six skaters around the league: Colorado’s Makar and Devon Toews, Minnesota’s Alex Goligoski and Jared Spurgeon, Calgary's Oliver Kylington, and Carolina’s Tony DeAngelo. Great company, and I expect to see him back with Dmitry Orlov again this year.
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don't know if this is just cherry picking data, but honestly, did not realize Kylington did so well
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08-11-2022, 09:53 AM
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Norm!
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I mean the assumption on these articles is really the best case scenario.
In this case
Nurse lives up to his contract and learns how to play defense (LOL)
Barrie continues to be a 40 point defenseman that they can use as a pp specialist
Ceci doesn't revert back to his levels of awfulness that he hit in Toronto
Kulak continues to have his new team bump, instead of being that meh throwaway guy in Montreal who was a bottom pairing guy on a bad team
Bouchard continues his career progression offensively and improves his backend play, and maybe learns to turn while skating backwards.
That Baggins or Bongbong or boberg isn't a bust like he's trending to.
So in other words, they're solid if everything goes perfectly.
Not likely, and if they trade Barrie to recover cap space that becomes a really thin blueline.
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08-11-2022, 10:09 AM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Bay Area
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Originally Posted by TheScorpion
I have a Valimaki jersey! I can see a future where he gets his skating to a point where he's capable of being a third-pair NHL defender, but I don't think it'll be this year and I am really doubtful that it'll be in Calgary.
I'm rooting for him but I also have to call it like I see it. He struggled badly for the Heat during their playoff run, to the point where he was playing on the third pair in pretty limited minutes.
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That was a severe knee injury he had. Takes a long time to come back but you wonder how much it permanently affects his skating. You think that has much to do with it?
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08-11-2022, 11:40 AM
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: VanCity
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Originally Posted by Harry Lime
Neither Mackey nor valimaki will make it through waivers. It will be interesting to see which one the flames decide to keep up.
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I'd be willing to bet Mackey would make it through waivers. He's still in the unknown commodity grouping and any team that claims him would basically assume he's a legit NHL dman.
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08-11-2022, 11:56 AM
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Lifetime Suspension
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Will the Flames blue line finally live up to their billing?
Would be cool if they did (last year thought they were easily top 5 before injuries, but no one had them pegged as a top defense group going into the season).
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08-11-2022, 11:58 AM
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Harsh. Yost says the Flames have the 2nd best d in the league but we are all over him for saying the Oilers D are middling... haha
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08-11-2022, 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov
Harsh. Yost says the Flames have the 2nd best d in the league but we are all over him for saying the Oilers D are middling... haha
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Oilers D is trash. It's not harsh, just reality. To put them in the solid category is outright misleading.
I don't know why media people sugar coat the uncomfortable/sobering truths about the Oilers shortcomings, especially when it's that obvious.
Before they were Oilers, nobody had anything good or glowing to say about the contributions of Kulak and Ceci to their NHL teams. Even Barrie was getting run out of town. But sure, now they're a "solid" bunch.
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08-11-2022, 12:26 PM
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Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Winebar Kensington
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Edmonton = solid. LOL
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08-11-2022, 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by djsFlames
Oilers D is trash. It's not harsh, just reality. To put them in the solid category is outright misleading.
I don't know why media people sugar coat the uncomfortable/sobering truths about the Oilers shortcomings, especially when it's that obvious.
Before they were Oilers, nobody had anything good or glowing to say about the contributions of Kulak and Ceci to their NHL teams. Even Barrie was getting run out of town. But sure, now they're a "solid" bunch.
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In the final 5 most important games that the Flames played last season the Oiler defense was not trash..
Nurse was a +4 playing against the Flames best offensive team since Nieuwendyk, Roberts, MacInnes, Fleury times (1993-94).
There were no Oiler D-men with a minus series against the Flames.
Was it the solid 2-way play by the Oilers forwards?
Meanwhile on the deepest defense in the league the Flames top-2: Hannifin was -6, Andersson -5. **
Edmonton is a good team that is a very worthy opponent and very much worth beating
** whoever Tanev plays with actually becomes the Flames #1 D pairing.
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08-11-2022, 02:20 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Originally Posted by ricardodw
In the final 5 most important games that the Flames played last season the Oiler defense was not trash..
Nurse was a +4 playing against the Flames best offensive team since Nieuwendyk, Roberts, MacInnes, Fleury times (1993-94).
There were no Oiler D-men with a minus series against the Flames.
Was it the solid 2-way play by the Oilers forwards?
Meanwhile on the deepest defense in the league the Flames top-2: Hannifin was -6, Andersson -5. **
Edmonton is a good team that is a very worthy opponent and very much worth beating
** whoever Tanev plays with actually becomes the Flames #1 D
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The only conclusion you can draw from a five game sample is that the Oilers outplayed the Flames for a playoff series. It's not a trend or a reflection of how good they would be over 82 games.
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08-11-2022, 02:29 PM
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
The only conclusion you can draw from a five game sample is that the Oilers outplayed the Flames for a playoff series. It's not a trend or a reflection of how good they would be over 82 games.
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or maybe they are not trash. The Flames had a great historic 82 games season... They won 1 more game than the Oilers.
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