Brad Treliving needs to go - Page 223 - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

bubbsy · 07-28-2021, 06:20 PM

I'm at the point that this isn't even a gm issue. Clearly the mandate from management isn't to actually build a cup contender, it is to ensure a minimum of 2 home playoff games. That's it, that is the bar for success.

I think treliving's made his mistakes early on, got himself into some pickles, however, at this stage I am not even sure how much autonomy he even has. I almost feel bad for him, as he's going to have a pretty lousy resume after how this all turns out, assuming he doesn't have a game breaking trade upcoming to change the team's trajectory.

Flamesfan05 · 07-28-2021, 06:34 PM

It’s obvious Treliving is betting his hockey life on the same core

Or he is unable to make deals to upgrade it

I kinda feel sorry for him . Imagine betting your career on Johnny/Monahan for the 4th time.

Rollin22x · 07-28-2021, 06:41 PM

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Like I said back then, losing Giordano is fine. But he has to find a replacement. That and fill the massive gaping hole for offense (preferably an RW).

How many players are out there and available that can actually fill a massive gaping hole on offence? Ovi chose the Capitals so he’s out… hmmmm. How many are realistic targets that would want to play for the Flames?
It’s almost as if he would have to cut off his left foot to improve the right.

Vinny01 · 07-28-2021, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

It’s obvious Treliving is betting his hockey life on the same core

Or he is unable to make deals to upgrade it

I kinda feel sorry for him . Imagine betting your career on Johnny/Monahan for the 4th times?

If there is one thing that is driving me nuts about this board are the ridiculous claims that the offseason is over after every milestone of the summer. I read similar stuff when there wasn’t a blockbuster at the draft.

Save this post for the eve of training camp.

Flamesfan05 · 07-28-2021, 06:46 PM

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If there is one thing that is driving me nuts about this board are the ridiculous claims that the offseason is over after every milestone of the summer. I read similar stuff when there wasn’t a blockbuster at the draft.

Save this post for the eve of training camp.

So you think it will change by training camp?

Historically, most actions are around The Draft, FA signing and TDL

Textcritic · 07-28-2021, 07:20 PM

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So you think it will change by training camp?

Historically, most actions are around The Draft, FA signing and TDL

I can't speak for Vinny, but I for one expect more changes.

And by your claims regarding what happens historically, I assume, then, that you are convinced that Jack Eichel will remain with Buffalo this year. I mean, we have now watched the Draft and Day 1 of UFA pass without him being moved, right?

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Strange Brew · 07-28-2021, 07:34 PM

Meaningful changes between now and training camp? Like what?

Manhattanboy · 07-28-2021, 07:45 PM

Other teams taking steps. Flames largely standing pat. Looks like a ####ty team is satisfied to largely remain ####ty.

bluejays · 07-28-2021, 07:46 PM

There has to be a deal involving one of the "big" three on the team. After a few seasons where we realize this combo doesn't work, on the team or against this division, it's apparent to a high percentage of fans. The geniuses who run the hockey team can't be that daft, all jokes aside. I would be shocked if Monahan isn't the odd man out here. He's slow, doesn't create his own opportunities, but he does have a good shot. It's an outdated skillset for the modern NHL, but it will work somewhere and it's probably worth a decent return. I think you start by dealing him for a combination of prospect + pick, and go all in with next years draft. But it really has to start now while there is cap space on other teams. I think something like this happens in the next 10 days max. Else the Flames are screwed. Can't build through overpaying in free agency, especially for non-core guys which they've been doing today.

dammage79 · 07-28-2021, 07:48 PM

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Other teams taking steps. Flames largely standing pat. Looks like a ####ty team is satisfied to largely remain ####ty.

It's day 1. A lot of big things tend to happen on day 2. Even then, I'll wait and see what the training camp roster looks like before going to the attic to sharpen my pitchfork.

So far the Flames have done a decent job at filling some key holes. Plenty of work yet still to do and a while lot of time to do it.

edslunch · 07-28-2021, 07:49 PM

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There's really no other way out of this mess. They either trade for Eichel or rebuild, and I'm thinking the organization is just too asset poor to field a contender even after that trade. If they do, it will be a short lived window.

In reality, he's competing with many other teams for the same players. It's unlikely we make a blockbuster trade like that on the best of days.

Instead, the only alternative for a GM on his last life is to tread water and fill holes with paper mache instead of cement.

To be fair, if you’re using a boat analogy cement isn’t that great either....

TOfan · 07-28-2021, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Other teams taking steps. Flames largely standing pat. Looks like a ####ty team is satisfied to largely remain ####ty.

Surely there are better things you could be doing with your time. Gardening? Become a pit master? Read more books? Watch other sport teams?

edslunch · 07-28-2021, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

It’s obvious Treliving is betting his hockey life on the same core

Or he is unable to make deals to upgrade it

I kinda feel sorry for him . Imagine betting your career on Johnny/Monahan for the 4th time.

My best case is that the core isn’t as bad as they’ve looked lately and that with a Sutteresque supporting cast and style, improvements from the younger players, and a full year of good Markstrom they can be competitive. If they make the playoffs I think Sutter alone is worth a win or two more than recent coaches.

GioforPM · 07-28-2021, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Other teams taking steps. Flames largely standing pat. Looks like a ####ty team is satisfied to largely remain ####ty.

There haven’t been a lot of big moves by other teams IMO. NJD with the big signing of Hamilton, but no other great moves by anyone IMO. The Bean and Buchnevich moves were nice, but I didn’t like a whole lot of other moves.

Textcritic · 07-28-2021, 08:12 PM

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Meaningful changes between now and training camp? Like what?

I think the Flames pull off a trade for Eichel.

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flames_fan_down_under · 07-28-2021, 08:16 PM

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My best case is that the core isn’t as bad as they’ve looked lately and that with a Sutteresque supporting cast and style, improvements from the younger players, and a full year of good Markstrom they can be competitive. If they make the playoffs I think Sutter alone is worth a win or two more than recent coaches.

I don't quite understand how people can still have faith in this core of players. They have shown time and time again that they simply do not have what it takes to win?

Gaudreau, Monahan, Tkachuk, Backlund. They have shown us consistently, over and over, that they are not capable of bringing their game to another level.

keenan87 · 07-28-2021, 08:22 PM

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I don't quite understand how people can still have faith in this core of players. They have shown time and time again that they simply do not have what it takes to win?

Gaudreau, Monahan, Tkachuk, Backlund. They have shown us consistently, over and over, that they are not capable of bringing their game to another level.

But but.. they might turn it around with Sutter.

If that doesn't work, maybe they will turn it around without so much of a tyrant coach when Sutter gets fired or leaves.

The excuses for this rotten core never end.

DeluxeMoustache · 07-28-2021, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by flames_fan_down_under

I don't quite understand how people can still have faith in this core of players. They have shown time and time again that they simply do not have what it takes to win?

Gaudreau, Monahan, Tkachuk, Backlund. They have shown us consistently, over and over, that they are not capable of bringing their game to another level.

This will be the first full season with an accomplished NHL coach

That point is not in dispute, is it?

dammage79 · 07-28-2021, 08:26 PM

Look, we don't even know or can guarantee who in core will be here when camp opens up. I still think one of the 2 big LWs are on the move.

Gios gone and there's more still to come. Tree doesn't tip his hat often but he definitely didn't sound today like a man who was done working this roster.

DeluxeMoustache · 07-28-2021, 08:27 PM

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Look, we don't even know or can guarantee who in core will be here when camp opens up. I still think one of the 2 big LWs are on the move.

Gios gone and there's more still to come. Tree doesn't tip his hat often but he definitely didn't sound today like a man who was done working this roster.

I didn’t hear him, what did he say?

That anytime you have an opportunity to improve your roster that you have to look at it?