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View Poll Results: Who's first? Ovechkin to score his 800th goal or any other player to score 600?
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Alexander Ovechkin 34 yrs, 159 days
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213 |
83.53% |
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Patrick Marleau 40 yrs, 161 days
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4 |
1.57% |
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Sidney Crosby 32 yrs, 200 days
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10 |
3.92% |
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Steven Stamkos 30 yrs, 15 days
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1 |
0.39% |
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John Tavares 29 yrs, 156 days
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1 |
0.39% |
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Nikita Kusherov 26 yrs, 251 days
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1 |
0.39% |
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David Pasternak 23 yrs, 335 days
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1 |
0.39% |
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Connor McDavid 23 yrs, 41 days
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13 |
5.10% |
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Leon Draisaitl 24 yrs, 119 days
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2 |
0.78% |
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Auston Matthews 22 yrs, 159 days
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9 |
3.53% |
10-14-2021, 10:22 AM
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#61
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Crash and Bang Winger
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Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee
Because hes Russian, and because Sportsnet has a really weird thing for McDavid. Like, very, very weird.
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I think we're at that awkward time where a couple kids who grew up watching the Oilers in the 80's are now in charge of Sportsnet. Sure feels that way.
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10-14-2021, 11:09 AM
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#62
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Backup Goalie
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Monahammer
It is absolutely criminal that this man had 2 lockouts and COVID to contend with in seeking the goal scoring record. Greatest goal scorer of all time. He has scored numerous goals that will never be forgotten.
His one timer isn't really a skill that will dissipate, and that alone should see him in the league as a PP player for as long as he wants.
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This is word for word what I came to say. He wants to be the greatest scorer or all time. He will be.
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10-14-2021, 11:21 AM
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#64
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by powderjunkie
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WTF, Crosby has 486 actual goals and played the same time frame as Pacioretty who only has 306 goals.
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10-14-2021, 11:27 AM
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#65
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Alberta
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Originally Posted by CroFlames
WTF, Crosby has 486 actual goals and played the same time frame as Pacioretty who only has 306 goals.
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Yeah that seems like malarky. Compare iginla's adjusted totals to Pacioretty's as well- even though Iginla played through the worst eras of scoring by far. It's as if they're counting goals from the last 3 seasons at a hyper premium.
To elaborate on the Crosby comparison, if you eliminate the first three years of Crosby's career (a detriment to him) and match their seasons 1-1, Pacioretty only has 306 goals in 812 games to Crosby's 387 goals in 826 games. Obviously playoffs is terribly one sided too.
List is bad.
Last edited by Monahammer; 10-14-2021 at 11:30 AM.
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10-14-2021, 11:30 AM
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#66
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Slightly right of left of center
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Monahammer
It is absolutely criminal that this man had 2 lockouts and COVID to contend with in seeking the goal scoring record. Greatest goal scorer of all time. He has scored numerous goals that will never be forgotten.
His one timer isn't really a skill that will dissipate, and that alone should see him in the league as a PP player for as long as he wants.
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This is huge, he has probably missed at least 2 full seasons worth of goals, which one could argue is like 75-100 goals already he should have gotten. Without those lockouts/covid there is no question he would pass Wayne. With those events it will be close.
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10-14-2021, 11:31 AM
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#67
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Kelowna
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I don't understand how Pacioretty gets adjusted so hard, wtf indeed
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10-14-2021, 11:49 AM
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#68
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Moscow
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Ovechkin is an absolute legend. My favourite player of all time now (just barely eclipsing Iginla.)
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10-14-2021, 12:48 PM
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#69
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Powerplay Quarterback
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As much as I like trophies being named after historical players, I would love if they renamed the goal scoring trophy each season to the Ovechkin Trophy. Greatest goal scorer ever.
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10-14-2021, 01:40 PM
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#70
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Voted for Kodos
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Originally Posted by powderjunkie
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Somethings fishy with the way thats being calculated.
Max Paccioretty? Lol.
And Ovechkin wouldnt nearly double his goal scoring because of era adjustment.
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10-14-2021, 02:00 PM
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#71
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GOAT!
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Adjusted Goals
We will use Gordie Howe's 1952-53 season as an example, a season in which Howe scored a career-high 49 goals.
The first step in this process is to calculate a schedule adjustment for each player. In order to do this, divide 82 by the number of scheduled games per team. In 1952-53 the NHL played a 70-game schedule, so the schedule adjustment is 82 / 70 = 1.17.
The roster size adjustment is computed by dividing the maximum roster size for the season in question by 18. Teams were allowed to carry a maximum of 16 skaters at home and 15 skaters on the road during the 1952-53 season, so the roster size adjustment is 15.5 / 18 = 0.86.
Next calculate the era adjustment, which we will do by dividing 6 by the league average goals per game without the player in question. In 1952-53 a total of 1006 goals were scored in 210 games. Without Howe this works out to (1006 - 49) / 210 = 4.56 goals per game, so our era adjustment is 6 / 4.56 = 1.32.
Finally, we put everything together. Take the player's actual goals and multiply by the adjustments we computed above. For Howe in 1952-53 this is 49 * 1.17 * 0.86 * 1.32 = 65 adjusted goals.
https://www.hockey-reference.com/abo...ted_stats.html
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Here's how they calculate it.
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10-14-2021, 02:25 PM
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#73
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Alberta
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Lol wait, does that mean they're calculating in Max's great first game of this season with 2 g and 1 assist and adjusting it to add? Because that explains the enormous bump. Same with Ovechkin.
Otherwise, there is no way to make Crosby have less adjusted goals in the same seasons as all of those multipliers are to adjust the league parameters to level the field, and would have the same impacts on both Crosby and Pacioretty over the course of those seasons.
Edit: I've decided this must be it: ovechkin and Pacioretty both show '22 as included seasons. + players like Cirelli (50 g in career) and Kubalik (48g in career) are on the list with ~300 adjusted goals. Both scored in the first game of this season.
Last edited by Monahammer; 10-14-2021 at 02:29 PM.
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10-14-2021, 02:29 PM
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#74
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Franchise Player
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TIL Patches is better than Crosby.
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10-14-2021, 02:32 PM
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#75
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Alberta
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They need to set the list to only calculate full seasons. Right now it is drawing from the limited games in the 22 season already played and ridiculously pumping up totals.
List is useless as is!
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10-14-2021, 02:39 PM
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#76
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bdubbs
As much as I like trophies being named after historical players, I would love if they renamed the goal scoring trophy each season to the Ovechkin Trophy. Greatest goal scorer ever.
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Bossy was a greater Goal scorer, IMO.
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10-14-2021, 09:14 PM
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#78
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by timbit
Bossy was a greater Goal scorer, IMO.
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Put ovechkin in the 80s and he gets 100 goals in a season. Not to take away from bossy but ovechkin is better in my eyes. Those tiny, stand up goalies would get obliterated by him
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10-14-2021, 09:24 PM
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#79
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Originally Posted by TheoFleury
Put ovechkin in the 80s and he gets 100 goals in a season. Not to take away from bossy but ovechkin is better in my eyes. Those tiny, stand up goalies would get obliterated by him
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It is not a fair comparison, though. Put Ovechkin in the 80s, but with the same development and training as was common for players of that era, and he is definitely not anywhere near as good as he is today. Likewise, if Mike Bossy had been given the advantages of technology and training that helped to make Ovechkin what he is, who knows how good he could be?
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10-14-2021, 09:31 PM
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#80
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by Textcritic
It is not a fair comparison, though. Put Ovechkin in the 80s, but with the same development and training as was common for players of that era, and he is definitely not anywhere near as good as he is today. Likewise, if Mike Bossy had been given the advantages of technology and training that helped to make Ovechkin what he is, who knows how good he could be?
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Totally fair, I agree. That's why comparing guys across eras is a futile exercise
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