Uhh... Ferland has you know:
- had an impact at the NHL level both physically and on the score sheet
- scored 20 goals, 15 the year prior with his nhl caliber snap shot
- earned his way up the line-up from the 3rd line in the AHL (not with Gaudreau)
- has shown he can produce with top players, but contribute physically if not
- had a noticeable impact on NHL playoff series win (not with Gaudreau)
- had an arguably better junior career, in one less season
Lazar has done none of those things, other than being drafted higher. All while Ferland didn't start playing hockey until 14 and lost a year and a bit of development to alcoholism.
Lazar has had ample opportunity on two different NHL teams due to his high draft status and great personality, and done absolutely nothing with it. Ferland has earned his place through adversity.
Your opinion is valid and you have a right to it, but it's not based on evidence.
Ferandhasnt earned #### “through adversity” ‘this season... he literally was placed on the top line because Jagr and Brouwer couldn’t cut it. Ferland is a ####tier Rene bourque who needs to be sold while his value is high. He is a good enough player but he should not or would not be top 6 on any serious cup contender.
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Ferandhasnt earned #### “through adversity” ‘this season... he literally was placed on the top line because Jagr and Brouwer couldn’t cut it. Ferland is a ####tier Rene bourque who needs to be sold while his value is high. He is a good enough player but he should not or would not be top 6 on any serious cup contender.
Replace the name you mentioned in your post and it'll be called "Bennett". Not rocket science ya know...
Bringing Rene Bourque into your is just totally wrong and i see where you're going with this.
Ferandhasnt earned #### “through adversity” ‘this season... he literally was placed on the top line because Jagr and Brouwer couldn’t cut it. Ferland is a ####tier Rene bourque who needs to be sold while his value is high. He is a good enough player but he should not or would not be top 6 on any serious cup contender.
Ferland hasn’t been the same since he missed a game or two with an injury earlier this year. It wouldn’t surprise me to hear he’s also been playing through a persisting injury.
Troy Brouwer still being on the #1 unit AFTER the season is lost is yet another reason to punt the coach.
I suspect GG was directed to play Brouwer so Trelivings boat anchor signing doesn't so bad. Fans know you can't put lipstick on a pig to make it look like a horse
Replace the name you mentioned in your post and it'll be called "Bennett". Not rocket science ya know...
Bringing Rene Bourque into your is just totally wrong and i see where you're going with this.
I truly don’t understand your last sentence. But, on the subject ...
Rene Bourque was streaky.
Ferland was given top line minutes and had 2 good streaks - one with 8 points in 6 and one with 8 points in 4. Otherwise, largely invisible.
He bought good will with a playoff performance a few years ago that never was revived. I don’t blame him, it’s tough if not impossible to be the player that he was in the Vancouver series.
But Rene Bourque is definitely not a bad comparison. Where they differ is that Bourque took some lazy penalties and Ferly just disappears. Production is similar. 20 goal ish streaky guys who you can not count on every night.
Bennett, by contrast, was given third line minutes and saddled with Garnet ‘fans like me perhaps because the commentators say I have a non stop motor but actually plays die on my stick’ Hathaway.
You can replace the name in the sentence all you want but the situation is not the same.
Those are our top five point producers this season. Even if Ferland is playing on the top line, he's producing like at least one other guy on that top line
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I'm pretty sure when Ferland was 23 years old he had a 4 goal season. It's not exactly apples to apples when one player is in his prime and the other isn't. That said neither of these guys are a top 6 solution so it's pointless to argue.
Uhh... Ferland has you know:
- had an impact at the NHL level both physically and on the score sheet
- scored 20 goals, 15 the year prior with his nhl caliber snap shot
- earned his way up the line-up from the 3rd line in the AHL (not with Gaudreau)
- has shown he can produce with top players, but contribute physically if not
- had a noticeable impact on NHL playoff series win (not with Gaudreau)
- had an arguably better junior career, in one less season
Lazar has done none of those things, other than being drafted higher. All while Ferland didn't start playing hockey until 14 and lost a year and a bit of development to alcoholism.
Lazar has had ample opportunity on two different NHL teams due to his high draft status and great personality, and done absolutely nothing with it. Ferland has earned his place through adversity.
Your opinion is valid and you have a right to it, but it's not based on evidence.
Guys the 2015 playoffs were a long time ago. Ferland is closer to a Lady Bing candidate than this impactful, physical player way too many fans still think he is. Lomberg played in 7 games this season and only has 9 less penalty minutes for example so let's please talk 2018 when describing players.
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Guys the 2015 playoffs were a long time ago. Ferland is closer to a Lady Bing candidate than this impactful, physical player way too many fans still think he is. Lomberg played in 7 games this season and only has 9 less penalty minutes for example so let's please talk 2018 when describing players.
He still leads the team in hits. Granted he's down almost 50 hits from his 15'-16' totals, but hardly a Lady Byng candidate.
Last game early on, he was in the most dangerous area of the ice and had all the time in the world, and puts it high/wide.
Flames need to hire a shooting coach.
Don't disagree - Lazar seems to find ways to good positions, but lacks finish. That could be confidence or simply that the hesitates for "just long enough" to allow him to second-guess himself. The best players seem to be those who just blast away without thought - just pure reaction shots. He has the right idea, just can't execute.
He still leads the team in hits. Granted he's down almost 50 hits from his 15'-16' totals, but hardly a Lady Byng candidate.
I think people don't like that fact that Ferland doesn't take ticky tack hooking/slashing/holding penalties and instead is a disciplined player (who can still kick your ass if you piss him off).
He should take more terrible penalties to increase toughness factor.
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Don't disagree - Lazar seems to find ways to good positions, but lacks finish. That could be confidence or simply that the hesitates for "just long enough" to allow him to second-guess himself. The best players seem to be those who just blast away without thought - just pure reaction shots. He has the right idea, just can't execute.
Those are our top five point producers this season. Even if Ferland is playing on the top line, he's producing like at least one other guy on that top line
Ok whatever. Not really my point. The minutes he did get, he had good linemates and not Garnet “who needs a stick?” Hathaway.
Ok whatever. Not really my point. The minutes he did get, he had good linemates and not Garnet “who needs a stick?” Hathaway.
Same could be said about Sean Monahan. How would Monahan's numbers (and perceived consistency) look if he and Jankowski or Stajan swapped roles (5v5, 3v3, 4v4, PP)? It just sounds like a crazy thing to do, but it's a valid question.
The difference between Lazar and Ferland is more than just who they played with.
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that was awesome! Probably the most entertaining part of this season
