07-16-2018, 05:12 PM
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#321
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jul 2013
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Originally Posted by Enoch Root
This is what I think as well. However, if Czarnik were to step up and grab the top line spot, then the top 9 really rocks!:
Gaudreau - Monahan - Czarnik
Tkachuk - Backlund - Lindholm
Bennett - Jankowski - Neal
Frolik - Ryan - whoever
and you could easily swap Bennett and Tkachuk there
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I'm sure Neal decided to sign in Calgary to play on the 3rd line. C'mon.
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07-16-2018, 05:14 PM
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#322
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Pent-up
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Plutanamo Bay.
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Originally Posted by Wolfman
I'm sure Neal decided to sign in Calgary to play on the 3rd line. C'mon.
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Kessel did in Pittsburgh.
I think he plays higher but I really like the depth options we have now.
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07-16-2018, 05:16 PM
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#323
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Boca Raton, FL
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Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper
It's all of the above and I would hope that the Flames management group does the same thing considering how many failed trades/acquisitions we've had in the last few years. I hope the team has hired some more critical thinkers.
Anybody can find a way to spin a trade or a player to make it sound like it sounds great, but for me, I'm looking at it from all angles here and my initial instinct upon reading that Lindholm wanted $5M+ was not a positive one.
I'm not even out right saying that he'll regress, I'm just saying, the possibility exists from what I'm seeing. I'm not just going to assume that because he's 23 and a 1st round pick that he's automatically just going to continue to improve. That isn't exactly valid either and with the limited amount of knowledge we all have of this particular player, I don't know how one could even back up anything with "good reasoning." It's all just opinion and conjecture at this point.
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Dammit man, weren't you the guy that was ridiculously optimistic for the last half of the year when the team went in the crapper and Gulutzan looked like a deer in headlights? You were challenged repeatedly on your optimism, and you didn't back down. What's with the sudden turn towards the dark side? Someone run over your dog?
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07-16-2018, 05:19 PM
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#324
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper
It's all of the above and I would hope that the Flames management group does the same thing considering how many failed trades/acquisitions we've had in the last few years. I hope the team has hired some more critical thinkers.
Anybody can find a way to spin a trade or a player to make it sound like it sounds great, but for me, I'm looking at it from all angles here and my initial instinct upon reading that Lindholm wanted $5M+ was not a positive one.
I'm not even out right saying that he'll regress, I'm just saying, the possibility exists from what I'm seeing. I'm not just going to assume that because he's 23 and a 1st round pick that he's automatically just going to continue to improve. That isn't exactly valid either and with the limited amount of knowledge we all have of this particular player, I don't know how one could even back up anything with "good reasoning." It's all just opinion and conjecture at this point.
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EVERY player might regress. It is a non-zero possibility across the board. However, unless a team wants to try and sign every player to one-year contracts (which would obviously be a disastrous and short-sighted strategy), they have to accept the risk that players might regress. It is part of the deal with player contracts.
However, you tried to make the case that Lindholm was a concern with respect to regression. In order to bring this up for a particular player, it implies that said player is riskier than the base amount that must be accepted for all players.
And to support your assertion, you brought up Raymond and Brouwer.
Lindholm is not a risk for regression, relative to (moreso than) other players. He isn't. Period.
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07-16-2018, 05:25 PM
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#325
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Could Care Less
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Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper
It's all of the above and I would hope that the Flames management group does the same thing considering how many failed trades/acquisitions we've had in the last few years. I hope the team has hired some more critical thinkers.
Anybody can find a way to spin a trade or a player to make it sound like it sounds great, but for me, I'm looking at it from all angles here and my initial instinct upon reading that Lindholm wanted $5M+ was not a positive one.
I'm not even out right saying that he'll regress, I'm just saying, the possibility exists from what I'm seeing. I'm not just going to assume that because he's 23 and a 1st round pick that he's automatically just going to continue to improve. That isn't exactly valid either and with the limited amount of knowledge we all have of this particular player, I don't know how one could even back up anything with "good reasoning." It's all just opinion and conjecture at this point.
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Sorry do you mean that Lindholm is more at risk to regress than any other player? If not, is your argument simply that any player could potentially regress any year? If so, I don't think you'll find anyone on this board who would disagree with that.
If not, what is your argument that Lindholm is more likely to regress than another player.
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07-16-2018, 06:00 PM
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#326
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Franchise Player
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Treliving is amazing at negotiating these RFA deals. He knows the leverage he has and he uses it. See Oilers, this is how you sign RFA’s
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07-16-2018, 06:34 PM
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#328
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Norm!
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Yeah I saw that earlier in the day, of course the rest of HF is throwing around the bust tag because that board has no idea what a bust really is.
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07-16-2018, 06:40 PM
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#329
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: In the studio
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Edit: I’m tired lol
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07-16-2018, 07:22 PM
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#330
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: STH since 2002
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Post this from Jamaica Wow what a great contract and term this is. Treliving did outstanding work on this deal. The Average is one hell of a decent number for both parties.
Lindholm is going to be such a nice addition up front.
FYI Jamacians love Canadians down here such incredible people. Canadian Flags on several homes etc. American not so much
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07-16-2018, 08:16 PM
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#331
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch
Yeah I saw that earlier in the day, of course the rest of HF is throwing around the bust tag because that board has no idea what a bust really is.
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Oilers fans really quick to compare him to Gagner. lol.
Just no clue.
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07-16-2018, 08:21 PM
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#332
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Fort McMurray, AB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch
Yeah I saw that earlier in the day, of course the rest of HF is throwing around the bust tag because that board has no idea what a bust really is.
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Well, they bloody well should!
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07-16-2018, 09:18 PM
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#333
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Franchise Player
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As others have mentioned, it is probably a fair deal today, and very likely to be a bargain in the seasons to come (as soon as this season, depending on how great the chemistry is with whomever he ends up playing with this season).
This team seems very deep now, and they should be a fun team to watch.
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07-16-2018, 10:23 PM
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#334
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damn onions
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I think this is a good deal and all in all is relatively low risk for the dollars committed to.
Lindholm has shown consistent improvement over time so if he continues to improve next season this is a great contract and if he remains the same, it's an average contract. I mean, it could've been a lot worse.
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07-16-2018, 10:26 PM
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#335
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First Line Centre
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The alternative would have been re-signing Ferland at a significant raise, or letting him walk next summer. This certainly is good asset management.
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07-16-2018, 10:55 PM
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#336
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jul 2013
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Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers
Kessel did in Pittsburgh.
I think he plays higher but I really like the depth options we have now.
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No he got traded to Pittsburgh.
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07-16-2018, 11:00 PM
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#337
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Pent-up
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Plutanamo Bay.
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Originally Posted by Wolfman
No he got traded to Pittsburgh.
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You’re absolutely correct. I didn’t explain my point enough, which is he played 3rd line, and I’m sure gleefully, all the way to 2 cups. The depth options are key. Can’t wait to see who plays best with who.
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07-16-2018, 11:43 PM
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#338
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sureLoss
Treliving on 960 says they plan to have Lindholm to start on the wing at camp, but will leave where he ends up to the coaches.
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In that interview, while he played it coy, he let slip that their planned centres were Monahan, Backlund, Jankowski and Ryan. He said Bennett and Lindholm were assets because they could take draws, especially, Lindholm on RH.
That means that Lindholm and Neal are RW on the top two lines (pick one). That pushes Frolik down a line to third line RW, which was disclosed elsewhere. Then the fourth line is something like Lazar, Ryan, Czarnik/Brouwer.
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07-16-2018, 11:54 PM
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#339
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GioforPM
In that interview, while he played it coy, he let slip that their planned centres were Monahan, Backlund, Jankowski and Ryan. He said Bennett and Lindholm were assets because they could take draws, especially, Lindholm on RH.
That means that Lindholm and Neal are RW on the top two lines (pick one). That pushes Frolik down a line to third line RW, which was disclosed elsewhere. Then the fourth line is something like Lazar, Ryan, Czarnik/Brouwer.
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The 3rd line might have Czarnik on it. Treliving has been saying that this kid might be 'ready to pop', and that he just needs some offensive deployments. I am betting Frolik and Czarnik bounce back and forth a while.
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07-16-2018, 11:54 PM
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#340
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First Line Centre
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I'm very relieved to have legitimate established NHL forwards occupying the top 3 lines and at least one (Ryan) on the 4th, and in my opinion two (Brouwer, depending on how you feel and how the contracts shake out).. No more Hathaway on the 3rd line. And despite his progression to an NHL player, no more rookies like Janko learning on the job.
The 4th line competition will be stiff this year. I expect plenty of movement between call-ups for those last spots. Between Ryan and Brouwer, it will be tough to get into that lineup as a prospect.
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