Yeah ... I don't think the Canucks would do Garland for Kakko straight up.
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C’mon guys, there’s a reason why KK was drafted so high. He ABSOLUTELY has star potential. He scores less than Garland because he’s much younger, but if he came here he would have the benefit of better linemates, and Sutter as his coach. Garland is good for 50 points, and is 26. KK is just hitting his stride, and will hit that level this year or next. The Canucks wouldn’t trade Garland for Kakko? That’s ridiculous, c’mon man-Garland is in every trade rumor, they want to move him. Not sure what’s up with the love for that guy.
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Kakko’s lack of production is a concern but he also hasn’t had a consistent opportunity
I still think he’s going to be a consistent 30 goal guy when he breaks out
If you can buy low on him I would
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Kakko’s lack of production is a concern but he also hasn’t had a consistent opportunity
I still think he’s going to be a consistent 30 goal guy when he breaks out
If you can buy low on him I would
Exactly. Hanifin isn’t too big a price to pay for that kind of player for a team like ours, who needs to get RID of a few D-men.
C’mon guys, there’s a reason why KK was drafted so high. He ABSOLUTELY has star potential. He scores less than Garland because he’s much younger, but if he came here he would have the benefit of better linemates, and Sutter as his coach. Garland is good for 50 points, and is 26. KK is just hitting his stride, and will hit that level this year or next. The Canucks wouldn’t trade Garland for Kakko? That’s ridiculous, c’mon man-Garland is in every trade rumor, they want to move him. Not sure what’s up with the love for that guy.
Garland would produce more if he wasn’t thrown on a 3rd line with no Pp time. He’s exactly like Mangiapane, if you give him the time he will produce.
That’s not to say I don’t like Kakko. He’s what we need more. A young, big-bodied RW screaming for the opportunity to thrive.
I absolutely love that Hanifin for Kakko and Lundqvist trade. It gives the Flames enough upside to make it worth moving Noah, and I love how it makes everything else “slot”
Garland would produce more if he wasn’t thrown on a 3rd line with no Pp time. He’s exactly like Mangiapane, if you give him the time he will produce.
That’s not to say I don’t like Kakko. He’s what we need more. A young, big-bodied RW screaming for the opportunity to thrive.
According to Dobber’s, he played with some combination of Horvat/Pettersen/Miller for most of the year, so I don’t think he was a third-liner by any stretch. He’s 26, so he’s not exactly developing anymore.
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First bold: Lol so you're just going to ignore Garland's first-line scoring rates that you're responding to?
Total 5v5 points last season among ALL players:
Garland: 33 (tied for 28th in the NHL)
Kakko: 15 (tied for... *goes way down the list* ... 413th)
Second bold: Lmao thanks for the good laugh. So Garland, who is a #1 or #2 scoring forward in every metric, is a "2nd line RW at best and more suited for the 3rd line", but Kakko, who can't even hold Garland's jock strap when it comes to offensive production, will not only score as many points as Garland next season, but also has "superstar 1st line ceiling"
Yea, okay.
I am not even going to discuss this anymore with someone so out of touch with players skillsets
I mean I don't really think it's that ridiculous to say Garland is a very good player. Again: he profiles very similarly to Mangiapane across the board, and you'd be laughed off this board at this point if you suggested Mangiapane was merely "suited for the third line."
Kakko is a huge question mark.
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Kakko’s lack of production is a concern but he also hasn’t had a consistent opportunity
I still think he’s going to be a consistent 30 goal guy when he breaks out
If you can buy low on him I would
Is he ready to get a bigger opportunity though? If not, then I can't see Treliving trading Hanifin for a player that won't play in the top 6 this season. I would much rather keep the boat than trade it for a mystery box.
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I am not even going to discuss this anymore with someone so out of touch with players skillsets
You're ignoring factual statistics, not me
Kakko has never even come close to a 0.5 ppg season lol
Kakko, at this point of his so far disappointing career (for a #2 overall pick. Still a good NHL'er), is very unlikely to turn into the star he was once projected to be.
Pretty good rookie season
Reduced opportunity and ice time
Stuck on 3rd/4th line limiting his development.
Funny seeing some of the same Bennett haters seemingly have love for Kakko.
With that said I’d take a flyer on him, but I was also hoping we’d have kept Bennett under Sutter for a year.
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If we receive Kakko as a base for Hanifin I would be expecting a 1st and more attached. Anything else would be a terrible return. Better off keeping Hanifin at that rate and hoping Dube finds his game. In fact, I am confident Dube produces more than Kakko.
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I mean I don't really think it's that ridiculous to say Garland is a very good player. Again: he profiles very similarly to Mangiapane across the board, and you'd be laughed off this board at this point if you suggested Mangiapane was merely "suited for the third line."
Kakko is a huge question mark.
Taking Hanifin out of the discussion, because that seems to be the part that is causing most of the argument, who wouldn't want this:
He is like the playmaking version of Mangiapane, although he has a deceptively accurate shot and shifty skating. He takes a lot of physical punishment to dig for pucks as well. Small player with a big heart.
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To be fair, as a guy who follows junior and the draft pretty closely (Garland included), I can honestly say that he’s an excellent player. He’s small, but plays with jam.
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I mean I don't really think it's that ridiculous to say Garland is a very good player. Again: he profiles very similarly to Mangiapane across the board, and you'd be laughed off this board at this point if you suggested Mangiapane was merely "suited for the third line."
Kakko is a huge question mark.
You’d also get laughed off the board if you suggested to trade Hanifin for Mangiapane.
Pretty good rookie season
Reduced opportunity and ice time
Stuck on 3rd/4th line limiting his development.
Funny seeing some of the same Bennett haters seemingly have love for Kakko.
With that said I’d take a flyer on him, but I was also hoping we’d have kept Bennett under Sutter for a year.
Or see some of the same people suggesting Kirby Dach was a bust preaching the potential of Kakko. Dach was drafted one spot later and has almost identical games played and production to date. Dach also had the misfortune of missing almost a full season due to injury.
For the record, I am not saying either are busts at this point. They are still too young to write off. I do think both are in the realm where you should proceed with caution at this point though. I wouldn't trade a proven player in his prime for either, but I would trade unproven futures for them. Future potential for future potential.
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I’d trade Garland for Kakko in a second. Frees up cap space which is stupidly expensive and it has the value of a top 6 first round pick still with what he could do. How they write him off so early is crazy.
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