Alberta Politics & Government Thread 3.0

[14Roman14]

Originally Posted by calculoso

Of course. Those who want freedom would never get tested so they would never have Covid and would never be segregated

How could they “just not get tested” if that was the only way to fly, go to restaurants, or concerts or sporting events? And if they just didn’t go because they didn’t want the test wouldn’t that accomplish the same as the vax pass while also catching some positives tyat may have not otherwise been caught?

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by 14Roman14

Once the only option healthy people with a negative test lost the right to live in society was when myself and many like me really disagreed. It’s also why we do not support any NDP led leaders as they pushed hard for a system like the one that was in place and criticized loudly every time restrictions were removed whether warranted or not.

Lost the right?

That is such first world privilege to say something like that. What utter drivel.

You could still do everything you needed to to live your lives, including getting groceries, going to work, worshipping your gods, and seeing your friends and family. Any "lockdown" that was ever imposed was on everybody in the early days. Remember the toilet paper situation? And we survived just fine.

No one took away your individual rights. You can still speak freely, spread misinformation, and drive trucks to Ottawa (overstaying your welcome is a different matter).

You don't get to drive a car if you don't have a license. You don't get to ride on the roller coaster if you're not above a certain height. And you don't get to clog the healthcare system unnecessarily during a generational calamity.

You are confusing minor inconvenience for tyranny. And public health is suffering because of it.

[Roughneck]

Demanding that much mandatory testing on people seems quite intrusive. The government struggled getting the 10 or 20 packs of tests to people, and those tests could be easily manipulated.



It's just a bad option all around, both logistically and as a means of promoting good health policy.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by 14Roman14

Um, yes.
I could completely understand a system that would not allow(segregate)those with a positive COVID test to fly, enter a concert, restaurant or sporting event.
Possibly even something incorporating blood tests with high immunity levels and negative COVID tests for short periods of time during the worst days.
Once the only option healthy people with a negative test lost the right to live in society was when myself and many like me really disagreed. It’s also why we do not support any NDP led leaders as they pushed hard for a system like the one that was in place and criticized loudly every time restrictions were removed whether warranted or not.

Oh come the #### on. This is the problem, you don't operate in the reality the rest of us inhabit, because you get your information from #### peddlers who put sparkles on it so you eat it up. Figure it out already. Man alive.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by 14Roman14

How could they “just not get tested” if that was the only way to fly, go to restaurants, or concerts or sporting events? And if they just didn’t go because they didn’t want the test wouldn’t that accomplish the same as the vax pass while also catching some positives tyat may have not otherwise been caught?

So how do you address the issue of overwhelmed hospitals due to unvaccinated idiots?

Or do you deny that the unvaccinated had more severe outcomes than the vaccinated?

[14Roman14]

Originally Posted by TheKiprusoffResurrection

Is this really the thread to rehash the Covid lockdowns/freedom protest? This has been going on, on and off, for like 10 pages. I understand one poster is driving the majority of that conversation, but maybe we just stop replying to them?

I come in here for Alberta politics, scrolling through countless posts about Covid (all of which has been debated here ad nasuem) kind of ruins the thread imo. I understand there is a bit of crossover with Smith being such a dunderhead and having made numerous comments regarding Covid. But there is an entire sub forum for Covid, surely that debate can be had there...?

Edit: I should add something to the thread I suppose. For what it's worth, I'm living out of the province atm, not sure if I'll be living there next election. If I am though, I'll be casting my first ever ballot for the NDP. Smith is a complete disaster in every way. If she somehow wins the election and stays in power for a few years you'll likely see the GWB effect wrt Kenney. A few years of Smith and people who hated Kenney with a passion will be saying "he wasn't that bad, look at HER!". For the record though, he was that bad.

I apologize for side railing a thread you come here to read Smith is insane and Rachel is our saviour posts. I will cool it on the COVID talk.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by 14Roman14

I apologize for side railing a thread you come here to read Smith is insane and Rachel is our saviour posts. I will cool it on the COVID talk.

Takes guts to come out publicly and support that deplorable walking piece of human waste!

You should be commended...

[GGG]

Originally Posted by 14Roman14

I apologize for side railing a thread you come here to read Smith is insane and Rachel is our saviour posts. I will cool it on the COVID talk.

The question would be do you think relitigating a 1/100 year event is worth doing. Given how the virus has evolved and now that most people have been exposed this current policy is more about raising the ire and division then any real discussion about freedom. So the question is why are you wanting to relitigate this issue?

Going forward what policies of Smith do you like? What is your opinion on the sovereignty act? How will the act effect investment into Alberta?

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by 14Roman14

I apologize for side railing a thread you come here to read Smith is insane and Rachel is our saviour posts. I will cool it on the COVID talk.

Don’t apologize. I think there’s more to gain from people seeing what you are posting and the responses to it than from you not posting it at all.

[14Roman14]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Takes guts to come out publicly and support that deplorable walking piece of human waste!

You should be commended...

While those in this forum very much lean one way with very little opposition, that there are many other forums and platforms where posts supporting the NDP are extremely few and far between.

[AltaGuy]

I'm still trying to wrap my head around the suggestion that Covid tests should've been done everywhere for everything rather than vaccination status. In what world would that have been less intrusive, less expensive, and more effective? Yikes.

[BlackArcher101]

I just can't fathom how we got to the point anti-vaxxers and anti-"lockdown" people think they are the ones that now have the moral high ground and it's everyone else being disrespectful. Like holy #### this is bat #### crazy stuff.

Can anyone remember 2020 when these same people were just calling everyone else sheep, to stop living in fear, and to stay home while they can go live their own lives? Let alone all the name calling everyone either trying to do their part or their job received. How does one go from that, to think they are coming out of all of this as the better person?

Massive amount of mental gymnastics.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by 14Roman14

While those in this forum very much lean one way with very little opposition, that there are many other forums and platforms where posts supporting the NDP are extremely few and far between.

Which echo chamber do you prefer?

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by GGG

The question would be do you think relitigating a 1/100 year event is worth doing. Given how the virus has evolved and now that most people have been exposed this current policy is more about raising the ire and division then any real discussion about freedom. So the question is why are you wanting to relitigate this issue?

Going forward what policies of Smith do you like? What is your opinion on the sovereignty act? How will the act effect investment into Alberta?

Yeah, 100% of covid restrictions are gone and they are so unpopular it is very unlikely they'll be back. So focusing on that doesn't seem like a productive thing to do.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by GGG

The question would be do you think relitigating a 1/100 year event is worth doing. Given how the virus has evolved and now that most people have been exposed this current policy is more about raising the ire and division then any real discussion about freedom. So the question is why are you wanting to relitigate this issue?

Going forward what policies of Smith do you like? What is your opinion on the sovereignty act? How will the act effect investment into Alberta?

This is is what I was talking about earlier. The UCP will win in a #### talking contest. They will avoid hard economic policy discussions where possible.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Lost the right?

That is such first world privilege to say something like that. What utter drivel.

You could still do everything you needed to to live your lives, including getting groceries, going to work, worshipping your gods, and seeing your friends and family. Any "lockdown" that was ever imposed was on everybody in the early days. Remember the toilet paper situation? And we survived just fine.

No one took away your individual rights. You can still speak freely, spread misinformation, and drive trucks to Ottawa (overstaying your welcome is a different matter).

You don't get to drive a car if you don't have a license. You don't get to ride on the roller coaster if you're not above a certain height. And you don't get to clog the healthcare system unnecessarily during a generational calamity.

You are confusing minor inconvenience for tyranny. And public health is suffering because of it.

Hey Ozy, get out of here with your reason and logic. Can't you see he was persecuted because he refused to get the optional vaccine? His selfish personal health decision matters more than the collective societal effort to reduce the strain on our already over-worked healthcare system.

[The Big Chill]

So to clarify, the UCP’s Covid mandates are a strike against the NDP, and the UCP are in the clear?

[belsarius]

Originally Posted by 14Roman14

While those in this forum very much lean one way with very little opposition, that there are many other forums and platforms where posts supporting the NDP are extremely few and far between.

As a socialist I take issue with the idea that this forum is left leaning without any opposition. I have found a lot of push back against the NDP, especially while they were in power. I have had many debates calling her out and going against her economics because they were more Keynesian than Neoliberal.

What I am seeing, is the moderate conservatives are no longer putting up with the dumpster fire that modern conservative politics has turned into, and would rather shift a little left than go all the way to the crazy right.

And that used to be Canadian Politics for generations. Liberals to the centre and the PCs to the centre right. Both different, but close enough that you could switch back and forth without too much change in your daily life. That isn't the way anymore, and most moderates hate it because they are having to choose a side.

This forum is an overall right-leaning place, but Smith is just so far right that anything normal now looks left wing to her acolytes.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by 14Roman14

While those in this forum very much lean one way with very little opposition, that there are many other forums and platforms where posts supporting the NDP are extremely few and far between.

A shocking revelation: in a province run by the UCP, people who do not support the NDP DO EXIST.

This is great, please keep posting.

[14Roman14]

Originally Posted by GGG

The question would be do you think relitigating a 1/100 year event is worth doing. Given how the virus has evolved and now that most people have been exposed this current policy is more about raising the ire and division then any real discussion about freedom. So the question is why are you wanting to relitigate this issue?

Going forward what policies of Smith do you like? What is your opinion on the sovereignty act? How will the act effect investment into Alberta?

While far out of the reach of the ability of the Alberta government, there is still a mandate saying healthy individuals cannot enter the US. While minimal, there are still policies in place pertaining to COVID , and if the NDP been in would likely still be more in place yet.

I personally don’t see it as a divide, but a pledge to do better if/when a similar situation arises in the future.

I do believe the sovereignty act has potential to be very good for Albertans and protect us if being stomped on by Ottawa. It doesn’t have to be used all the time but can be enacted in a time of Albertans feel like their best interests aren’t being taken seriously or to our full potential. Why would investment run from a province who has the ability to have more control over prosperity and the prosperity of those who invest in our province.

How did allowing Ottawa to squash any and all pipelines help with investment? Why not try and take back some ability to control our destiny over bad policy for our area?