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[MoneyGuy]

CNN has fired Rick Santorum over racist remarks about native Americans. They should have done it long ago for spouting Trump BS but better late than never.

[Dion]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1395895545877704704

[Dion]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1395837435083427843

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Have we not figured this out yet? It's just Michelle Bachmann part 2: say as much insane #### as possible, get on as many TV shows as possible, make sure everyone knows who you are (regardless of whether or not they think you're insane), and thus, out-raise everyone. It works like a charm.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Have we not figured this out yet? It's just Michelle Bachmann part 2: say as much insane #### as possible, get on as many TV shows as possible, make sure everyone knows who you are (regardless of whether or not they think you're insane), and thus, out-raise everyone. It works like a charm.

I wish this wasn't so depressingly true.

[timun]

Originally Posted by MoneyGuy

CNN has fired Rick Santorum over racist remarks about native Americans. They should have done it long ago for spouting Trump BS but better late than never.

Are we really surprised? After all, he is named after a frothy mixture of semen, lubricant and fecal matter...

[Lanny_McDonald]

^^^ To be accurate, that was named after him.

[TorqueDog]

Shhhh. He was named after it. It's better that way.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by New Era

Except they did a ####ty job on vaccine procurement. That's why we were way behind on getting vaccine out. I'm all for giving credit where credit is due, but the complete lack of leadership provided by the previous administration is criminal. Millions around the globe are dead because of it.

You are saying that the US did a ####ty job on procuring the vaccine despite having the most vaccine in the world available at the earliest date?

From a global perspective perhaps, from the America first perspective they delivered.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by GGG

You are saying that the US did a ####ty job on procuring the vaccine despite having the most vaccine in the world available at the earliest date?

Yes, that is exactly what I am saying, because what you portray is wrong. The United States HAD the opportunity to procure all the vaccine it wanted, because it funded much of the research, but Trump elected to only order 60 million doses, which only would have addressed 30 million people, or 10% of the population. That was a failure of epic proportions when herd immunity is projected at 80% of the population or higher. What made matters worse, this action and the associated rhetoric then fed the mania about not needing to get vaccinated. The health experts made a recommendation and it was ignored for political purposes.

From a global perspective perhaps, from the America first perspective they delivered.

No, they didn't. When we only had 20-30% of first responders(!) around the country even having access to vaccine until March, that was was not hitting any mark. Maybe in the contemporaneous context you can say the US has hit the mark, but that was thanks to the Day One mandate of the Biden administration. This is actually the most important thing to focus on, especially in the context of your original comment which I responded to directly.

Originally Posted by GGG

In my opinion working with republicans and giving them credit for vaccine procurement would have been a starting point to get people embracing it. Instead it was used as a look at how trump was failing and how great we are.

Republicans had ZERO to do with positive vaccine procurement. NOTHING. They fed the narratives that spread the anti-vax bull####. They supported Trump in not provisioning enough vaccine, much to the complaints of the Democrats and the states themselves. This was turned into a political issue because the blue states were hit hardest during the initial outbreak and Trump was going to punish them for not kissing the Dear Leader's ring. Then Republicans continued this strategy, doing everything they could do to block funding focused on anything with pandemic response, which would have provided funding to states to undertake appropriate measures to get vaccines in arms, pushing their malfeasance into the shadows and putting the blame on those states who were in need of vaccine and funding.

Biden did the easy part that no jurisdiction but Japan has failed at. Getting doses in arms. It didn’t need to be a partisan issue.

What? We didn't have a reasonable pandemic response until Biden came into office and depoliticized the issue, making it a healthcare issue rather a political pawn. Once that happened states got access to money to get their response plans kicked into gear, and then when the proper amounts of vaccine arrived, the infrastructure was ready to handle it. Om top of that, they even allowed for more vaccine pods to be created, granting access to large employers to setup their own vaccine program and get doses in arms. All of this happened long after Trump has gone into hiding in Florida, and none of it was a result of Republican involvement. You're way out of touch on this issue and the reality of the American pandemic response. We were in very dire straits until mid to late March, and only the last two months has really turned the tide. And we also need to understand, we are not out of the desert yet. We are still way short of where we need to be, so ANY back patting and handing out participation ribbons needs to be halted.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-...-in-your-state

[timun]

Originally Posted by New Era

^^^ To be accurate, that was named after him.

A common misconception. He was, in fact, named after it. ()

[GGG]

It’s funny you refuse to give Trump credit as if Biden could magically conjure the Vaccines from these companies if nothing had been done by January when he took over

Trump purchased 100 million Pfizer doses of the first run, then reupped to 200 million with 170 million by June 1st. Trump purchased 100 million Moderna as part of warp speed with the option to buy more.. He also purchased 100 million JJ.

In addition to those doses he signed the executive order prohibiting vaccine export effectively monopolizing every dose in the US which led to where the US is today. That executive order (which Biden continues to use) effectively made all contracting meaningless because they get all the doses regardless.

Trump had the executive order and contracts in place to supply sufficient vaccine to the US.

That isn’t debatable. You are likely thinking when trump chose not to procure more Pfizer after the first 100 million doses because they didn’t have a product approved yet. That turned out to not matter because of the executive order prohibiting export.

https://www.politifact.com/article/2...operation-war/

Not to mention contracts for Novavax and AZ that aren’t really being used.

Biden did the easy but important part, He got vaccines quickly into arms. He is just failing now at continuing to increase vaccination rate. Also even under the 2 months of Trump injection available supply vs daily injection rate was never terrible.

[sa226]

Are there large amounts of people in the US that want the vaccine and can't get it?

Or are you suggesting that Biden is doing a crappy job of getting through to anti-vax and vaccine hesitant people?

I'm not really following the US closely at all, aside from hot takes like drive through vaccine centres and Deblasio creepily offering free fries if you get vaccinated.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by GGG

It’s funny you refuse to give Trump credit as if Biden could magically conjure the Vaccines from these companies if nothing had been done by January when he took over

Trump purchased 100 million Pfizer doses of the first run, then reupped to 200 million with 170 million by June 1st. Trump purchased 100 million Moderna as part of warp speed with the option to buy more.. He also purchased 100 million JJ.

In addition to those doses he signed the executive order prohibiting vaccine export effectively monopolizing every dose in the US which led to where the US is today. That executive order (which Biden continues to use) effectively made all contracting meaningless because they get all the doses regardless.

Trump had the executive order and contracts in place to supply sufficient vaccine to the US.

That isn’t debatable. You are likely thinking when trump chose not to procure more Pfizer after the first 100 million doses because they didn’t have a product approved yet. That turned out to not matter because of the executive order prohibiting export.

https://www.politifact.com/article/2...operation-war/

Not to mention contracts for Novavax and AZ that aren’t really being used.

Biden did the easy but important part, He got vaccines quickly into arms. He is just failing now at continuing to increase vaccination rate. Also even under the 2 months of Trump injection available supply vs daily injection rate was never terrible.

Here's the problem with your argument. You're making it based on the total number of options on contracts they made, the vast majority of them for unavailable and not-yet approved vaccine product, rather than the actual orders they placed. Why should anyone get credit for something when the product is not in production or even completed trials? You only get credit for what you actually manage to have delivered. When Pfizer was approved and available they should have executed as many orders as they had options, which the Trump administration did not.

As someone who works in government I can tell you that the federal response under Trump was a joke. His administration dumped the responsibility onto the states and gave no clear guidance of who would get what vaccine in any shape or form. It was a complete cluster#### from the word go because there was no consistent guidance from the feds. Conversely, after it was turned into a health concern, and the experts who understand emergency response got involved, plans were quickly disseminated and things drastically improved.

Originally Posted by sa226

Are there large amounts of people in the US that want the vaccine and can't get it?

Or are you suggesting that Biden is doing a crappy job of getting through to anti-vax and vaccine hesitant people?

I'm not really following the US closely at all, aside from hot takes like drive through vaccine centres and Deblasio creepily offering free fries if you get vaccinated.

Yes, there are huge populations of people who are not getting vaccinated. Getting vaccinated has become a political issue because of the messaging from the Trump admin and the QAnon set (there's 5G trackers in the vaccine!).

The drive through vaccination sites are actually incredibly well run and efficient. No hot takes there as they just continue to work and get vaccine into people's arms. Frankly, the government needs to take all measures possible to get the vaccine in people. Unless we hit the herd immunity level, this effort is likely for naught and we'll see variants quickly develop that make this vaccine much less effective to almost useless. The good thing that is happening right now, employers are incentivizing their employees to get vaccinated, which will probably be most helpful.

[Dion]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1395744916010061824

[Harry Lime]

I think that the dilution of the word 'patriot' in America has made it almost meaningless at this point.

[KevanGuy]

This stuff is fundraising gold.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by New Era

Here's the problem with your argument. You're making it based on the total number of options on contracts they made, the vast majority of them for unavailable and not-yet approved vaccine product, rather than the actual orders they placed. Why should anyone get credit for something when the product is not in production or even completed trials? You only get credit for what you actually manage to have delivered. When Pfizer was approved and available they should have executed as many orders as they had options, which the Trump administration did not.

As someone who works in government I can tell you that the federal response under Trump was a joke. His administration dumped the responsibility onto the states and gave no clear guidance of who would get what vaccine in any shape or form. It was a complete cluster#### from the word go because there was no consistent guidance from the feds. Conversely, after it was turned into a health concern, and the experts who understand emergency response got involved, plans were quickly disseminated and things drastically improved.



Yes, there are huge populations of people who are not getting vaccinated. Getting vaccinated has become a political issue because of the messaging from the Trump admin and the QAnon set (there's 5G trackers in the vaccine!).

The drive through vaccination sites are actually incredibly well run and efficient. No hot takes there as they just continue to work and get vaccine into people's arms. Frankly, the government needs to take all measures possible to get the vaccine in people. Unless we hit the herd immunity level, this effort is likely for naught and we'll see variants quickly develop that make this vaccine much less effective to almost useless. The good thing that is happening right now, employers are incentivizing their employees to get vaccinated, which will probably be most helpful.

I agree with you the Trump roll out of injections was awful.

I’m not counting vapourware vaccines though. Trump won global vaccine procurement. He had 700 million contracted of Pfizer, AZ, and Moderna and an executive order prohibiting export. They had so many vaccines they didn’t need to approve AZ like other countries did. 15 million JJs were contaminated and it didn’t matter.


The Ohio lottery program increased vaccinations by 33% so that promsing.

Paying people to get vaccinated, free beer with vaccine and other incentives need to keep being added.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by KevanGuy

This stuff is fundraising gold.

Grifting Gold to be correct.

[Dion]

Lauren Boebert stated there hadn't been a single COVID-19 death in Texas since mask restrictions ended in March. Data shows thousands had, in fact, died.

Rep. Lauren Boebert falsely claimed Texas hasn't recorded a single COVID-19 death in two months.

"Since removing the mask mandate ...Texas has not reported a single COVID death," she claimed.

Data shows 3,600 Texans lost their lives to the virus since March 2, the day restrictions were lifted.

"Texas removed their mask mandate two months ago, and Sleepy Joe called it 'Neanderthal thinking,'" she continued. "No, sir. Republicans are just following the science, and since removing the mask mandate two months ago, Texas has not reported a single COVID death. Not one."

According to data published by the Texas Department of State Health Services, around 3,600 people have lost their lives to the virus since March 2, which was the day Texas Gov. Greg Abbott lifted all COVID-19 restrictions in the state.

https://ca.yahoo.com/news/lauren-boe...153435239.html