Edmonton is No Good VIII: There's Still Something in the Water!

[Cali Panthers Fan]

The only guy I can say truly made a comeback after it looked like he was done was Eric Staal, but he never got all the way back to his former status of course.

[tvp2003]

It’s still early but that’s a whole lot of “meh” outside of their top 4 forwards (not shown is Josh Archibald who has one goal in six games, and James Neal who put up a -2 in his first game yesterday). They’re going to need a couple of those guys to start scoring because McDavid is only going to get so many hat tricks this year.

[CaptainCrunch]

Part of the problem, is when you have coaches double and triple shifting the stars whenever they need offense, the other guys on the bench realize that the coaches don't trust them and part of them puts on their Frack you, I'm getting paid mind set.


I wouldn't doubt there isn't resentment in that room at this point towards Tippett, McDavid and Draisaitl.


Did you ever wonder why good free agents rarely go there? Because if they're not top 6 guys they don't play.

[Enoch Root]

and then they get thrown under the bus anyway

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Part of the problem, is when you have coaches double and triple shifting the stars whenever they need offense, the other guys on the bench realize that the coaches don't trust them and part of them puts on their Frack you, I'm getting paid mind set.


I wouldn't doubt there isn't resentment in that room at this point towards Tippett, McDavid and Draisaitl.


Did you ever wonder why good free agents rarely go there? Because if they're not top 6 guys they don't play.

Hard to get a better payday as well, when your ice time and points are limited.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

The only guy I can say truly made a comeback after it looked like he was done was Eric Staal, but he never got all the way back to his former status of course.

I think you could make arguments for Dustin Brown and Zach Parise.
Brown in particular had four consecutive sub-30 point seasons. He then followed that with 36, 61 (career high), 51 and 35 point seasons. At 36 years, old he has 3 points in 5 games so far this season.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by tvp2003

It’s still early but that’s a whole lot of “meh” outside of their top 4 forwards (not shown is Josh Archibald who has one goal in six games, and James Neal who put up a -2 in his first game yesterday). They’re going to need a couple of those guys to start scoring because McDavid is only going to get so many hat tricks this year.

"If Kahun had only scored 12 goals this season we would have made the playoffs"

Book it.

[Boreal]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

I think you could make arguments for Dustin Brown and Zach Parise.
Brown in particular had four consecutive sub-30 point seasons. He then followed that with 36, 61 (career high), 51 and 35 point seasons. At 36 years, old he has 3 points in 5 games so far this season.

Brown is also a liability if he has to engage with anyone in the neutral zone. He gets by with position and their power play.

[jg13]

Kyle Turris was putting up .66 PPG just 3 years ago. Talk about falling off a cliff.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Part of the problem, is when you have coaches double and triple shifting the stars whenever they need offense, the other guys on the bench realize that the coaches don't trust them and part of them puts on their Frack you, I'm getting paid mind set.


I wouldn't doubt there isn't resentment in that room at this point towards Tippett, McDavid and Draisaitl.


Did you ever wonder why good free agents rarely go there? Because if they're not top 6 guys they don't play.

This is purely anecdotal, but its always been that way with the Oilers. Its not even that they dont trust anyone else to play, but when you're riding the stars hard the rest of the team takes their foot off the gas.

The same thing happened when Hall was there. Everyone was expecting him to do everything and so their compete level dropped like a rock.

They've basically taken the same attitude and mainlined it.

"Why should I work hard when Connor and Leon have it taken care of?"

[Rejean31]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Exactly why do Oiler fans think the schedule is unfair to them?

(other than the fact that they don't get to play the Oilers 9 times)

Don't know, but as has been the norm forever, I see the Oilers are getting the Jets on the second game of a back to back tonight. Their fans have absolutely no reason to bitch and complain about their butter soft scheduling.

[VilleN]

E=NG IX: Maybe it is the goddamn water!

[Jaybo]

Originally Posted by tvp2003

It’s still early but that’s a whole lot of “meh” outside of their top 4 forwards (not shown is Josh Archibald who has one goal in six games, and James Neal who put up a -2 in his first game yesterday). They’re going to need a couple of those guys to start scoring because McDavid is only going to get so many hat tricks this year.

Even the categories where the Oilers are "leading" the league by a huge margin are NO GOOD!

[Reggie Dunlop]

Oy.... and that's by a fairly substantial margin as well. Whole lotta no good!

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Locke

This is purely anecdotal, but its always been that way with the Oilers. Its not even that they dont trust anyone else to play, but when you're riding the stars hard the rest of the team takes their foot off the gas.

The same thing happened when Hall was there. Everyone was expecting him to do everything and so their compete level dropped like a rock.

They've basically taken the same attitude and mainlined it.

"Why should I work hard when Connor and Leon have it taken care of?"

Sure your right, its purely a guess on my part. Based also on coaching and on playing.

First of all I don't think Connor is a good Captain or leader. A good captain doesn't complain about his linemates, his goal as Captain is to provide that leadership that encourages players, if the coach puts a guy on your line and your el superstar, then you should take that as a Captain's view and try to make that player better.

Now the ice time distribution isn't a Captain's decision, however a Captain needs to look at the dressing room and go to his coach as an advocate for the other players as part of monitoring moral and say "Hey coach, I'm playing nearly half a game, and your benching everyone for me when the games in the balance. Maybe the the players are resentful.

A good captain doesn't coast back on defense, doesn't do flybys of his own zone, he leads by example because he doesn't he can't sit there and make statements like "We need to play the right way" when he is not playing the right way.

The biggest disaster, take a supremely talented offensive player that's lazy defensively and doesn't put in the effort to improve it, and make him a Captain and cram a ton of ice time on him.

You could see it in the last game, when the whole lineup pretty much threw up their arms and quit after the first period. The Oilers have a talent problem, a depth problem, a goaltending problem, a coaching problem, and a leadership problem, and if/when they lose the game tonight expect the sh%t show to intensify.

I wouldn't want to play with Connor, how do you approach a Captain and say, hey maybe help us out on defense Captain? Hey Captain, stop crying about linemates?

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Locke

This is purely anecdotal, but its always been that way with the Oilers. Its not even that they dont trust anyone else to play, but when you're riding the stars hard the rest of the team takes their foot off the gas.

The same thing happened when Hall was there. Everyone was expecting him to do everything and so their compete level dropped like a rock.

They've basically taken the same attitude and mainlined it.

"Why should I work hard when Connor and Leon have it taken care of?"

The season starts as "Why should I work hard when Connor and Leon have it taken care of?" and after a few weeks it’s "Why should I work hard when Connor and Leon don’t?”

[Reggie Dunlop]

They're moving Frankenberry to the top line.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1353428738994671616

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

They're moving Frankenberry to the top line.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1353428738994671616

Predicting a -2 and at least 5 shifts that look lazier than Dubois’ now famous shift.

[sleepingmoose]

That’s probably how many shifts he gets on the line. He won’t be there for long.

[Enoch Root]

I'm guessing he gets a couple pts (despite being -2) and Oiler nation concludes he was the missing piece and the path to glory has been unfurled