03-18-2018, 04:07 PM
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#861
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Section 120
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Originally Posted by Hackey
Some fans need to take a step back and relax. They expect the team to go from 77 points to cup contender in 4 years. I don't think the Hamonic trade necessarily signaled that Treliving thought we were a contender but more so was a move to help try and push the team forward while we still have our core together. He had 3 years on his deal at a low cap hit so I'm sure he saw the move as something that helped immediately and helped as the team grew together. If we miss this year whoever the Islanders pick likely isn't going to be an immediate help, maybe not for a while, and maybe never. The window didn't close this year I feel like it just started to open.
The team is still set up to be good moving forward. Gulutzan and his staff are likely gone. Stajan gone. Brouwer good chance bought out. We should have guys like Valimaki, Andersson, Dube, Mangiapane, etc all trying to make the team. Hopefully guys like Tkachuk, Jankowski, Bennett, etc are able to take a step forward. I'm sure Treliving will try and make a trade for some scoring depth. A top 6 winger is likely top of his list. With some injected youth and maybe a signing in the bottom 6 that should help the depth. Obviously not everything will pan out but I still see optimism with this team. A mid first round pick likely isn't going to decide the fate of this organization moving forward.
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I agree with you but we still need to see GG and his staff fired, Stajan not re-signed, Brouwer bought out, and a decent UFA signing/trade or 2. Then I'll relax.
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03-18-2018, 05:05 PM
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#862
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Franchise Player
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Burke holding a season ending press conference introducing Maloney and Tippett as GM and coach wouldn’t bother me at this point.
I am not privy to Treliving’s plan for this team so not really fair for me to call for his firing, but no team in this situation should be trading away high value draft picks the way he has.
Hard to deny he has had some big misses. Maybe a different coach squeezes some more points out of this team while the core is still locked up but really thought the goal was to build a winning organization that can compete for championships.
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03-18-2018, 05:13 PM
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#863
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Franchise Player
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Firing BT would be making the same mistake the Flames always make by canning GMs too early
Didn’t Thomas Edison once say the definition of crazy is making the same mistakes without learning from them. Pretty sure that’s accurate
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03-18-2018, 05:19 PM
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#864
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Deep South
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Trelivings biggest mistake was hiring Gulutzan. Gulutzan is gone. That has to happen. There could be some really good coaches available this off season. Get one of them. Tre deserves more time, but his next coach has to be a known commodity, a winner!
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03-18-2018, 05:22 PM
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#865
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Itse
No ones freaking out, but our current position in the standings would give us an 8.8% chance of a top 3 pick. That's not nothing either.
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Still a 91.2% chance they won't have a top 3 pick.
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03-18-2018, 05:25 PM
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#866
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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
Firing BT would be making the same mistake the Flames always make by canning GMs too early
Didn’t Thomas Edison once say the definition of crazy is making the same mistakes without learning from them. Pretty sure that’s accurate
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Depends how you define the same.
They have never fired a coach or GM with the same body of work as another.
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03-18-2018, 05:27 PM
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#867
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Norm!
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Here's the heat that Brad is going to feel
"Brad, you're going to fix this fracking mess"
"and I am going to watch this Battlestar Galactica DVD set"
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03-18-2018, 05:29 PM
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#868
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by Southside
Trelivings biggest mistake was hiring Gulutzan. Gulutzan is gone. That has to happen. There could be some really good coaches available this off season. Get one of them. Tre deserves more time, but his next coach has to be a known commodity, a winner!
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Treliving hasn't addressed the lack of team speed. That is a big issue for me. He has to make the team faster, younger and more skilled.
He is too in love with intangibles. I like Hamonic, I'm glad he's on the team but Treliving paid the same price you pay for offence on guy who's good in his end and brings intangibles. That's a problem - the value he puts on traits not related to speed and skill.
That needs to change or this team will get run out of rinks on the regular.
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03-18-2018, 05:39 PM
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#869
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Franchise Player
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The Hamonic trade and the GG hire should place deserved heat on Treliving. Couldn’t envision a worse season outside our pick hitting the lottery. Tkachuk, Gaudreau, and Gio are the only reasons to watch this team.
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03-18-2018, 05:40 PM
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#870
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
Firing BT would be making the same mistake the Flames always make by canning GMs too early
Didn’t Thomas Edison once say the definition of crazy is making the same mistakes without learning from them. Pretty sure that’s accurate
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You’re saying the mistake the Flames organization continually makes is firing their GM? Isn’t that the result of hiring the wrong person, or worse yet an organizational emphasis that is misguided?
Or maybe they should have just kept Feaster.
Anyway I think it was Alexander Graham Bell who said the definition of insanity was continuing to go down the wrong path because you hadn’t yet found the right path.
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03-18-2018, 05:43 PM
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#871
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
Firing BT would be making the same mistake the Flames always make by canning GMs too early
Didn’t Thomas Edison once say the definition of crazy is making the same mistakes without learning from them. Pretty sure that’s accurate
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By that logic, it makes zero sense to fire gully too.
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03-18-2018, 05:51 PM
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#872
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I have no basis for this belief, but I think Burke had a lot of pull in the acquisition of Brouwer. Just never seemed like a Treliving move.
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03-18-2018, 05:53 PM
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#873
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Ashasx
I have no basis for this belief, but I think Burke had a lot of pull in the acquisition of Brouwer. Just never seemed like a Treliving move.
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Brouwer was the best available RHS RW on the UFA list that year. Which was a bad UFA year. I don't think it had much to do with Burkies Truculuence theory at all. Flames had Frolik and that was it on RW. and the message was get a RHS. they did, it was Brouwer, it has been largely unsuccsessful.
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03-18-2018, 05:58 PM
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#874
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by dammage79
Brouwer was the best available RHS RW on the UFA list that year. Which was a bad UFA year. I don't think it had much to do with Burkies Truculuence theory at all. Flames had Frolik and that was it on RW. and the message was get a RHS. they did, it was Brouwer, it has been largely unsuccsessful.
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Brouwer's underlying numbers had been declining for several seasons prior to the signing. It's just hard to believe Treliving would make such a mistake that was so obvious to many others.
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03-18-2018, 06:03 PM
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#875
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Ashasx
Brouwer's underlying numbers had been declining for several seasons prior to the signing. It's just hard to believe Treliving would make such a mistake that was so obvious to many others.
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Hamonic had a bad year last season, and he traded a first and two seconds for him. Just saying...
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03-18-2018, 06:09 PM
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#876
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by dammage79
Brouwer was the best available RHS RW on the UFA list that year. Which was a bad UFA year.
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David Backes
Kyle Okposo
Jonathan Marchessault
all UFAs.
all available.
let's not revise history. Brouwer was the most mediocre option available, and that was if he were signed at an expected 2.5M AAV. More proven than Marchessault who was a good player buried on a great team, and less ambitious than he other two who had actually established themselves as true top 6 guys.
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03-18-2018, 06:11 PM
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Vancouver
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Originally Posted by Beninho
Hamonic had a bad year last season, and he traded a first and two seconds for him. Just saying...
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was surprised at the price paid, Hamonic asked for a trade, BT should've been trading from a position of strength.
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03-18-2018, 06:13 PM
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#878
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Originally Posted by Barca
was surprised at the price paid, Hamonic asked for a trade, BT should've been trading from a position of strength.
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He asked for a trade to a team in Western Canada, IIRC.
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03-18-2018, 06:16 PM
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#879
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Originally Posted by Strange Brew
He asked for a trade to a team in Western Canada, IIRC.
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Yeah, there are no other foolhardy spenders needing D in Western Canada. 
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03-18-2018, 06:20 PM
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#880
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by Strange Brew
Burke holding a season ending press conference introducing Maloney and Tippett as GM and coach wouldn’t bother me at this point.
I am not privy to Treliving’s plan for this team so not really fair for me to call for his firing, but no team in this situation should be trading away high value draft picks the way he has.
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Please anyone but coaches from coyotes... As if the team isn't already boring enough.
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