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Old 09-19-2017, 12:58 PM   #661
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Parkland County students to ride on electric school bus
Electric school bus first of its kind in all of Western Canada

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmont...-bus-1.4273605

120 - 150 km range

Note: an additional external webasto -type diesel-fired heater is installed to assist with cold ( space heater). This is the same type of additional heater commonly installed on transit buses
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Old 11-19-2017, 03:12 PM   #662
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Tesla unveils the electric semi

https://www.theverge.com/2017/11/16/...c-self-driving

400 mile range 30 minute recharge, auto pilot and convoy potential...

and I must admit.. some pretty sleek lines
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Old 11-19-2017, 04:55 PM   #663
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it turns out that we've been talking about ecetric vehicles for quite a while\\

2006 New electric sports car...
https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showth...ctric+vehicles

2007: electric Cars- coming soon?
https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showth...ctric+vehicles
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Old 11-19-2017, 05:29 PM   #664
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Tesla unveils the electric semi

https://www.theverge.com/2017/11/16/...c-self-driving

400 mile range 30 minute recharge, auto pilot and convoy potential...

and I must admit.. some pretty sleek lines
They also posted a third quarter loss of $671 million and can't produce the cars they already have orders for, so when will they be able to deliver this truck?
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Old 11-19-2017, 05:33 PM   #665
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2019!

Ha. Right. It sounds like the major bottleneck is the batteries right now. I mean, I could see them having a few token deliveries in 2019 but I think this and the Roadster are money fishing expeditions right now.
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You guys cannot underestimate the difference of living in Canada and the US with your cheap gas prices.

Electric cars are selling like crazy in Europe, and especially in the Nordic countries. We are paying in Iceland about $2.20 per liter right now.
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Old 11-19-2017, 07:09 PM   #667
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It sounds like the major bottleneck is the batteries right now.
The range and charging time sounds like it's a bit suspect too.
http://driving.ca/tesla/auto-news/ne...t-teslas-truck
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Old 11-21-2017, 11:15 AM   #668
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The software is just as important as the batteries in terms of the advantages of the next gen of vehicles...

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/auto...nomy-1.4403057
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Old 01-09-2018, 05:30 PM   #669
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Apologies for a somewhat nebulous bump but I think this is probably the right thread for this...

Never mind talk about peak oil, there has been some talk recently about peak energy. Here is a counter argument to that idea, given recently at the 2017 Tudor Pickering Holt & Co Energy Disruption Conference (I believe it is okay to post this, but mods, do your thing if not).

The speaker is a physicist and forecaster who brings a very unique perspective to things. Some of what he says is controversial, but it is all fascinating. I highly recommend you take the 40 minutes to watch it.

https://vimeo.com/247026189/5fc23f2c46

tl/dr: energy usage will continue to increase at non-linear rates, and (presumably) this is very good for all energy producers, including oil.
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Old 03-15-2018, 12:47 PM   #670
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just adding to the talk about self driving vehicles.
not sure where else to put it.

"People riding in self-driving cars that crash could find themselves unable to hold the manufacturer accountable if legislation currently pending on Capitol Hill is passed, consumer advocates warn."

http://money.cnn.com/2018/03/14/tech...ole/index.html
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Old 03-16-2018, 06:17 AM   #671
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just adding to the talk about self driving vehicles.
not sure where else to put it.

"People riding in self-driving cars that crash could find themselves unable to hold the manufacturer accountable if legislation currently pending on Capitol Hill is passed, consumer advocates warn."

http://money.cnn.com/2018/03/14/tech...ole/index.html
so basically the same system we have now, your insurance covers accidents. sounds reasonable to me.
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so basically the same system we have now, your insurance covers accidents. sounds reasonable to me.
Yeah, I couldn't imagine it working any other way. If self-driving cars really do end up having better safety records than manually-operated cars, that'll be reflected in insurance rates. As the rates for those driving self-driving cars decrease, the rates for those driving manual cars will increase to make up the difference. At some point, we'll see a flip as people look to the insurance savings of self-driving cars. I'm guessing we'll see a slow build-up to 20-30 per cent self-driving, then a rapid jump to 60-70.
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Old 03-16-2018, 11:10 AM   #673
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Back to the topic of EV's killing the Alberta economy by 2030 it's kind of interesting that cars are actually dying and pickup trucks are becoming the new family car;

https://www.consumerreports.org/pick...ew-family-car/

So while California may have a lot of EV's rolling around the fact is that more and more North Americans are rolling in gas guzzling pickup trucks.
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Back to the topic of EV's killing the Alberta economy by 2030 it's kind of interesting that cars are actually dying and pickup trucks are becoming the new family car;

https://www.consumerreports.org/pick...ew-family-car/

So while California may have a lot of EV's rolling around the fact is that more and more North Americans are rolling in gas guzzling pickup trucks.

Even if people want to move to EV's, the biggest producer of them may be belly up before any significant amount of them can be produced.

With the cost of oil production way way down from where it has been, the pressure to continue using carbon based fuel will only increase from those looking to be as economical as they can be.

Tesla is in a world of hurt and could conceivably be out of business with in a couple years.
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On Sunday night, in Tempe, Arizona, an Uber self-driving test car was involved in a fatal collision with a pedestrian. The Tempe police have released dashcam footage from the crash (warning, it shows a fatal collision, but nothing graphic)...

http://calgaryherald.com/news/world/...8-a1157f9f9645

This is the first pedestrian fatality from a collision with a self-driving vehicle.


Based on the footage, she was invisible until seconds before the collision. She was walking her bike across the street and was not in a crosswalk. She also appears to be just outside the coverage area of the nearest streetlight.

After reviewing the video and the circumstances, Tempe police have said that it's unlikely Uber will be considered to be at fault in the collision.

After watching the footage, it's hard to imagine that any human driver would have been able to avoid the collision either. Although, sometimes, the human eye can see more than a camera, especially at night, so a human driver may have noticed her movements in the shadows and slowed down earlier.


Uber immediately put their self-driving vehicle tests on hold after the collision.
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Old 03-22-2018, 08:11 PM   #676
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On Sunday night, in Tempe, Arizona, an Uber self-driving test car was involved in a fatal collision with a pedestrian. The Tempe police have released dashcam footage from the crash (warning, it shows a fatal collision, but nothing graphic)...

http://calgaryherald.com/news/world/...8-a1157f9f9645

This is the first pedestrian fatality from a collision with a self-driving vehicle.


Based on the footage, she was invisible until seconds before the collision. She was walking her bike across the street and was not in a crosswalk. She also appears to be just outside the coverage area of the nearest streetlight.

After reviewing the video and the circumstances, Tempe police have said that it's unlikely Uber will be considered to be at fault in the collision.

After watching the footage, it's hard to imagine that any human driver would have been able to avoid the collision either. Although, sometimes, the human eye can see more than a camera, especially at night, so a human driver may have noticed her movements in the shadows and slowed down earlier.


Uber immediately put their self-driving vehicle tests on hold after the collision.
This is the question that will dictate if self driving cars will be viable near term. Is the standard 0 accidents or marginally better than human. And even if the standard is better than human will people be able to handle when a car kills a person when a human clearly could have stopped the accident. So this crash is test 1 for our tolerance of self driving cars.

The other question I have is are electric cars more dangerous than ICDs. We are used to using sound to detect traffic as we walk and cross streets. Do the relatively silent electric cars end up with higher pedestrian collision rates?
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It appears Uber may have really crappy cameras, or intentionally darkened the video. Someone went there and filmed this. Point of the accident is around 33 seconds.



Even without visual, LIDAR or RADAR should have spotted her, and the human operator utterly failed at her job. I'd expect a lawsuit here.
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So, I am kind of curious what the plan is for self-driving ride operators for getting around people who don't have driver's licenses? How is a person who can't operate a vehicle supposed to take over the controls?

Also - the whole chain reaction of an autonomous car reacting to a jaywalker or a deer, group of ducks crossing the street, passed-out guy laying on the road. Obviously the car would want to avoid the jaywalker, but are you going to slam on the brakes for a deer or some ducks and potentially cause a more devastating accident?
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Fully self driving cars won't have controls for passengers to take over. I'd imagine anything that has controls you would be required to have a license.
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