Trump permanently suspended from Twitter

[Boreal]

Originally Posted by #-3

30s I agree, there has been a slow steady drop.
13+ not using it at all.

What I've observed in the past year, is that messenger-kids has become very popular with the under 13 crowd, and it's dragging parents back into messenger. in 5 years that under 13 crowd will be the tip of the social media spear.

cam_wmh

It's a social media thread, so I don't want to get into why Apple is the worst. But;

• planned obsolescence
  borderline theft of intellectual property
  locking other platforms out in an effort to create mini-monopolies
  bad corporate citizenship
  over priced

If you think you data is somehow magically safe because your on the apple platform your dreaming, and to the extent that they were less virus laden in the early 2000's while building that reputation, that's because nobody gave a crap about apple back then, not be cause they were more secure. It's been a long time since there was a noticeable difference in security, most it probably comes down to how many stupid game apps you download from foreign publishers.

Again.

Any evidence to support your argument? I would love to read it.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Boreal

Again.

Any evidence to support your argument? I would love to read it.

Well the fappening comes to mind. Honestly. Nothing is hack proof as far as consumer electronics go. Its only a matter of when.

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Well the fappening comes to mind. Honestly. Nothing is hack proof as far as consumer electronics go. Its only a matter of when.

That was a phishing attack; the Achilles' heel was not the technology, it was the person using it.

Apple is certainly not infallible, but if I'm entrusting my data and privacy to an entity and I can pick between Google or Apple, I'm picking Apple.

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

The question was "Is Apple sharing data, and selling it like the other platforms?" and the answer to that is no.

Specifically to address the underlined, apparently they do. Further, every time I copy something from one app (say, a piece of text from a Safari webpage) and paste it into another (eg: e-mail body in the Outlook app), I get a small notification at the top of the screen alerting me that the app in question pasted data from another app. If you have an app like a web browser that will allow you to 'paste and go' by determining if the text in the clipboard is a web address, iOS will alert you as soon as you click in the text field that kicks off the check.

If I'm wilfully using an Apple product and they're using pseudononimized data to make their product better for me, that's one thing. If they're turning around and selling that data / access to said data to third-parties, that's a different scenario entirely.

If they were really dedicated to user privacy, they could have been doing much more, much earlier. They could still be doing much more now.

No doubt, Apple views user privacy as a value wedge to bring people into their ecosystem or keep them in, and once you're in all future hardware purchase decisions start to become shaped and controlled by Apple. It's a different model, but it's not virtuously focused on users being free from control. Control is just via another mechanism.

Anyways, exposure still exists when people install and use third party apps.

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

Anyways, exposure still exists when people install and use third party apps.

I have the solution for that.

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

I have the solution for that.

That's kind of the point that was being made. You can't play in the pool without getting wet. If you're active in the modern digital world, you don't have privacy.

The steps that need to be taken to really have anonymity online are pretty extreme.

[opendoor]

I mean, it's not really the device that's collecting most of the user data, it's the apps. If you use an iPhone but install Facebook, Instagram, WhatsApp, or any data that tracks your location, or use services like Gmail, Google searches, etc. on it, you essentially have no privacy and are having your data sold off. Apple is a little better about handling permissions and whatnot, but the apps most people load onto their phones are what are collecting their data.

[afc wimbledon]

what I like is when home depot sells your data, spend a little too long in the welding aisle and next thing you know you get welding ads on your facebook page as Home Depot is geocaching your actual store browsing history

[Boreal]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

what I like is when home depot sells your data, spend a little too long in the welding aisle and next thing you know you get welding ads on your facebook page as Home Depot is geocaching your actual store browsing history

Maybe don’t use their wifi, that’s the tradeoff.

[#-3]

I guess what it comes down to is a value thing, I don't really believe there is value in Apples "increased" privacy for me. Where I feel there is a great deal of value in not being beholden to their ecosystem, paying less money, and having hardware with the potential to function beyond 7 years.

It's entirely possible there are people out there who get value out of being in that eco system, but if you have facebook, taptalk, tiktok, chrome, two dots................................... installed or your logging into the coffee shops wifi, I doubt you're one of them.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

This thread sucks.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Boreal

Maybe don’t use their wifi, that’s the tradeoff.

I dont

[Boreal]

https://thehill.com/policy/technolog...uspension-from

Banning President Donald Trump from Twitter and Facebook sent online misinformation, specifically false assertions of election fraud, plummeting, new research says. Zignal Labs, a San Francisco digital analytics company, found misinformation about election fraud fell by 73 percent, The Washington Post reports. Mentions of election fraud dropped from 2.5 million to 688,000 in the week after Trump’s Jan. 8 ban from the social networks, according to the company.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by Boreal

https://thehill.com/policy/technolog...uspension-from

Too little too late. The seeds been planted and the crop is being harvested. It's nice the traffic has slowed down put the info has already been hammered into the head of these people. A terrorist attack has happened after months of inaction of these companies and I believe that more incidents will continue to take place because of slow reactions.

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by #-3

Where I feel there is a great deal of value in not being beholden to their ecosystem, paying less money, and having hardware with the potential to function beyond 7 years.

We’re really getting off topic here, but we have had this discussion in the Apple thread (Tech forum) already, and the idea that Apple cuts the lifespan of their devices short relative to Android competitors is a common misconception. ~7 years ago, the iPhone 5C and 5S came out. The last update for the iPhone 5S was January 11, 2021. Comparing to a well-known Android flagship, the Galaxy S-series, the S5 also came out roughly seven years ago (as of March this year in fact). It stopped getting Android updates in 2017.

[Wastedyouth]

Deplatforming always works.

[#-3]

I'm happy the de-platforming seems to have worked. It will be really nice if the positive impacts outweigh the backfire effect.

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

We’re really getting off topic here, but we have had this discussion in the Apple thread (Tech forum) already, and the idea that Apple cuts the lifespan of their devices short relative to Android competitors is a common misconception. ~7 years ago, the iPhone 5C and 5S came out. The last update for the iPhone 5S was January 11, 2021. Comparing to a well-known Android flagship, the Galaxy S-series, the S5 also came out roughly seven years ago (as of March this year in fact). It stopped getting Android updates in 2017.

It's not really about the updates, it's about the removal of functionality.

[Mathgod]

The thing to remember about this deplatforming is that the white supremacist, Q-Anon, and other pro-Trump discussions will move to darker corners of the internet and encrypted apps, where the discussions will be much harder to track and keep tabs on. I'm not against Twitter's decision to ban Trump and Q-Anon content, I'm just saying there are unintended side effects to doing it.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

The thing to remember about this deplatforming is that the white supremacist, Q-Anon, and other pro-Trump discussions will move to darker corners of the internet and encrypted apps, where the discussions will be much harder to track and keep tabs on. I'm not against Twitter's decision to ban Trump and Q-Anon content, I'm just saying there are unintended side effects to doing it.

I'm willing to bet that the effects of having these people reaching and recruiting millions on the biggest social media platforms was far, far, far more damaging than them being harder to track on the far reaches of the internet in small groups. .

[Plett25]

I don't think pushing the crazies to the dark corners of the internet will pose much of a challenge for the FBI and NSA.

It will be much harder for Jethro in his single wide trailer to find his kindred spirits. And misguided edge Lords living in their Mom's basement will be less likely to stumble across a neo nazi group.

So IMO, a net positive, but like you said, not a perfect solution.