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Is Coffee the best dman of that generation or Bourque?
Coffey won 2 in the mid 80s and then picked up a 3rd with the Wings, which for some reason I COMPLETELY don't recall.
Bourque won 5
Going back further Doug Harvey won 7
So I think my list is:
Harvey
Orr
Bourque
Lindstrom
No one has emerged from the current generation.
I would give a special mention to Brad Park. His only fault is he had to compete with Orr for the Norris trophy and was runner up 6 times. Would have been the best of his era if Orr wasn't around.
Denis Potvin started his career towards the end of Orr's and overlapped the first few years of Bourque's, but he was there through all the Isles dynasty years and I would add him to the defenseman list.
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THIS is why people make fun of Edmonton. When will this stupid city figure it out? They continue to kick their own ass every day, it's impossible not to make fun of them.
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“But when you have a player like that, and then you have Leon (Draisaitl), it’s almost like what is the other decision? What’s the alternative?”
Hmmm, I don't know...dont dign Draisaitl for $2M more than market value?
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As a result, Chiarelli is modelling the Oilers after a team like the Pittsburgh Penguins, which employs high-priced superstars like Crosby and Evgeni Malkin and a bevy of players making around $1 million.
Like Kris Russel ($4M), Lucic ($6M), Strome ($3M), Kassian ($2M) and Koskinnen ($2.5M)? Those $1M dollar players Pete?
On trading Hall and signing Lucic
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“You know deep down they were the right things to do,” Chiarelli said. “And you stand by that.”
“Lucic had a down year last year,” he said. “He’s shown that he’s played significantly better this year. I knew that he would. But last year was tough. There was a lot of money for that player.
“I know he’s a character guy. I know he’s a proud guy. That was part of the equation when we signed him – for leadership. It didn’t work out last year. It worked out the year before. Now it looks like it’s working out. You look at someone like Dustin Brown in L.A. Players have down years. Free agent players aren’t cheap.”
Yep, sure is working out
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To me, on defense my list is shorter. Orr, Harvey, Lidstrom, I might be tempted to add Shore to the list.
Why were they generational, because they impacted the game and changed it, they were head and shoulders above anyone else in their generation.
Lidstrom was not head and shoulders above Pronger IMO. To me those two were very much a toss up. Lidstrom smoother. Pronger was just a beast though. 6'6, physical, mean, good skater, great shooter and passer. He basically dragged EDM to the cup finals and obviously played a big role with ANA as well. Personally I would take Pronger in his prime over Lidstrom, I think its super close though.
Lidstrom was not head and shoulders above Pronger IMO. To me those two were very much a toss up. Lidstrom smoother. Pronger was just a beast though. 6'6, physical, mean, good skater, great shooter and passer. He basically dragged EDM to the cup finals and obviously played a big role with ANA as well. Personally I would take Pronger in his prime over Lidstrom, I think its super close though.
Also depends on when you’re playing. Pronger was slower and would probably spend a lot more time in the box these days.
Lidstrom was basically custom built for the way the NHL is now.
I’d take Lidstrom. He’s #2 all time for me for sure. Might approach #1 given
How much longer he played than Orr.
As for generational, I would absolutely argue that Lidstrom innovated his position with his stick checking and transition abilities in a day when everyone thought defence was about being Scott Stevens and hurting everyone. He was the prototype of the Giordanos and Karlssons of the world today.
For goalies I think you have to go:
Plante
Dryden
Roy
Hasek
Brodeur
I disagree on Dryden. If you want someone from that era I think Glenn Hall (although it can be argued he was from an earlier era) or Tony Esposito (changed the way the game was played) would be better choices. Dryden is overrated due to the teams he played on.
As for generational, I would absolutely argue that Lidstrom innovated his position with his stick checking and transition abilities in a day when everyone thought defence was about being Scott Stevens and hurting everyone. He was the prototype of the Giordanos and Karlssons of the world today.
Hmmm, I don't know...dont dign Draisaitl for $2M more than market value?
Like Kris Russel ($4M), Lucic ($6M), Strome ($3M), Kassian ($2M) and Koskinnen ($2.5M)? Those $1M dollar players Pete?
On trading Hall and signing Lucic
Yep, sure is working out
E=NG
To be fair though, what's he supposed to say? Because if he told the truth he would be shot into the sun.
Guy is trying to show conviction for his terrible moves as GM, hoping that some poor sap owner agrees with him and offers him a job when he's eventually fired by the Oilers.
Unfortunately for him, after his debacles in Boston and now Edmonton, I don't think the league agrees.
I have two half brothers that live in Edmonton. And they swear up and down that the Oilers have a better bottom 6 than the Flames. I'm too lazy to put pencil to paper. But I'm pretty sure our bottom 6 has more points than their bottom 6. The koolaid runs deep with that franchise.
I disagree on Dryden. If you want someone from that era I think Glenn Hall (although it can be argued he was from an earlier era) or Tony Esposito (changed the way the game was played) would be better choices. Dryden is overrated due to the teams he played on.
Completely disagree. Dryden was the best goaltender in the game for a number of years. Dryden won a cup by himself over the vastly favored Bruins. The guy won a Conn Smythe, a Calder, five Vezinas, and six Stanley Cups in a short eight year career. Career 2.24 GAA and a .919 S%. The year he sat out on the Canadiens, they washed out in the first round, and they gave up almost three quarters of an extra goal against a game. When he came back, they went on a Stanley Cup run. Dryden was second to only Plante. The only reason we didn't see more greatness from him is because he loved the law more than the game of hockey.
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