Ongoing thread for Neal/Lucic discussion

[bigrangy]

After seeing the conditions and the NMC honoring I really don’t see the Flames gaining anything with this trade.

You basically got a 600k cap discount for taking on the most toxic asset in the league. There should have been a 1st or a prime propsect or at the very least a pick swap or something. There’s not even an opportunity for the Flames to win this trade.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I just hope Lucic gives a care out there.

Does this trade make owning a Neal jersey cooler? ####

It makes renumbering and relettering a jersey cooler

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by GGG

I think this is poor asset management.

Both these players have little value so you could let them both sit.
So before the trade it was 5.75 million sitting in the press box now it’s 5.25 million. I suppose that could be a meaningful amount but I don’t think it’s worth the risk.

From a buyout perspective Neal would have a 2 mil cap hit for 8 years. Lucic has a 3.5-4.5 million cap hit for 4 years than 500k for the next. The flames current window is the next 2-3 years so if buyout is considered Neal was the better contract.

From an expansion draft standpoint it adds risk. I think their was a possibility of going 4-4-1 and giving up our 5th best forward to protect Kylington. Now that option is off the table unless Lucic were to waive. It is likely though that our 4th D will be better than our 7th best forward so the NMC likely has no affect but does reduce flexibility

So why do this?

I have seen the dressing room arguments but I think this comes down to the flames ownership being cheap. Calgary saves bout 7 million in real dollars over the course of the year. Same as when Kotilik was dumped.

I think if Neal was a problem a Neal buyout made more sense as a 3.5 million dollar player plus Neal’s dead cap number is better than Lucic for our Window.

You're overthinking it. It's a bum for bum deal that works for both teams. One team is looking for more grit, and Mike Smith is looking for his friend.

[Yoho]

Neal will be the perfect Oiler. He has all the fundamentals down to a science.

[trublmaker]

Well this trade just baffles me but welcome to the Flames looch I guess

[Stay Golden]

Neal for a bag of plastic sporks is good deal. Neal was lazy, wouldn't even play physical which at bare minimum is what was expected. Secondary points and being a hard to play against and he would not do it.

At least Lucic will put some fear into other teams and keep Johnny and Monahan safer.

If Lucic puts up 20-25 pts a year and plays the physical role he is notoriously known for this will be what the Flames need on the wing. Not to mention Lucic will cost the Flames aprox 750k less cap wise.
Bottom line I bet the Flames players are happy as hell to have Lucic and his nasty edge with them than against them.

[Ped]

On the one hand, it's amusing to see the characterization of Lucic change from one day to the next, as soon as he becomes Flames property.


You could argue that's homerism at it's finest, and while I think that's obviously at work to some degree, I think some of it is standard in any trade - you don't like the idea, you get the player, and you start looking more closely at him and realizing that while he still sucks, there might be some things that could turn out more favourably at first thought.


Lucic has been horrible, but so was Neal last year. And I do think Neal has a better chance of bouncing back.


Arguing over Eriksson is pointless. He wasn't part of his trade and he's just as horrible as the other two players that were involved. Lucic's drop-off has certainly been more precipitous year to year, but it's like arguing over which eye you want stabbed out. It doesn't matter, it still sucks either way.


Lucic is more physical, but hits are often a reflection of your team not having the puck. His foot-speed could turn out to be a huge problem.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by memphusk

You're overthinking it. It's a bum for bum deal that works for both teams. One team is looking for more grit, and Mike Smith is looking for his friend.

Exactly, the players have no value so only contract flexibility matters

We lost buyout flexibility and expansion draft flexibility in exchange for 7 million in cash and 500k in cap hit.

[DeluxeMoustache]

I’ll be interested to see if Lindholm gets to C line 2, and Lucic gets a look on the top line at some point. (Johnny / Monny don’t play a straight line speed game)

If for no other reason than to troll Neal, giving Lucic what Neal thought he was getting, and send him in to a minimum half season long sulky funk.

[Matty81]

Lucic could still agree to be exposed in the expansion draft.

I actually like this a lot.

Neal is just as slow and to me the skills are a wash.

Lucic can still cave people's faces in.

All I can think of is how ####ing obnoxious tkachuk is going to be this year with this kind of backup and I love it.

[Yrebmi]

Plug for plug. Worse case scenario if Neal rebounds and Lucic doesn't it's still ok.

Rebounded Neal won't bump the Oil into the playoffs. Maybe he will keep them away from another top 5 pick, and we get a 3rd. As fun as it is to laugh at them, the Oilers are not a team we need to lose sleep over getting a little better.

[Finger Cookin]

Originally Posted by getbak

If CapFriendly has the clause information correct, it's a NMC for the entire duration of the contract, but a limited no-trade for the final two seasons.

This is similar to the clause Phaneuf had on his contract, and we know that he had protection from the expansion draft.

Unless CapFriendly is incorrect, Lucic will either be required to be protected in the expansion draft, or he will need to waive the NMC to be exposed.

Doesn't something happen with NMC and NTC clauses when a player is traded though? I seem to remember reading something about that in the past, but I can't recall what or under what circumstances. Very helpful, I know.

EDIT: Here's what I was thinking of:



That this addendum might not have been signed is going to help me sleep tonight. Also, it sounds like the Flames could also void the modified NTC clause as it is not yet in effect.

[Matty81]

There's no way Capfriendly is aware of what Lucic has agreed to or not as part of the his trade... They'd just be listing the existing contract terms and maybe he's agreed to waive the nmc for expansion. Gotta think expansion draft has been considered by Tre here.

[transplant99]

One of the darkest moments in franchise history.

[Winsor_Pilates]

I don't like Lucic but Neal as an Oiler is pretty funny. Can't wait for him to demand playing with McDavid and then be 2 zones behind the play at all times.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by transplant99

One of the darkest moments in franchise history.

Whoa

Remember Gulutzan?

It was so dark then, he was banished to Edmonton

[troutman]

How much of this has to do with Ferland going to Vancouver?

[greentree]

Originally Posted by getbak

Treliving: https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/...g-milan-lucic/

BT seems underwhelmed...

[Cortez]

If you can take a step back and realize this is a bad contract for bad contact swap (which are common) it’s not a terrible deal. It’s just made exponentially worse by the fact that we’ve all been trashing lucic on the oilers for years. I would seriously bet the reaction would not be this bad if Lucic was coming from an east coast team

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Matty81

There's no way Capfriendly is aware of what Lucic has agreed to or not as part of the his trade... They'd just be listing the existing contract terms and maybe he's agreed to waive the nmc for expansion. Gotta think expansion draft has been considered by Tre here.

Originally Posted by devo22

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https://twitter.com/user/status/1152369375829274625

Posted earlier.