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Old 10-18-2018, 07:53 PM   #1
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Figured we might as well have a dedicated thread for this, seeing as how it'll be a topic of conversation for the foreseeable future.

Here's how both players have begun their tenures with their respective new teams. If someone else wants to interprate their advanced stats, go for it - I have no idea how to apply them.

Hanifin:

6 GP 0G 2A +1 2 PIM 11 shots 20:58 ATOI 10 Blocks 8 Hits 7 Takeaways 8 Giveaways 60% Dzone starts

Hamilton:

7 GP 0G 3A +1 2 PIM 29 shots 20:05 ATOI 6 Blocks 14 hits 2 Takeaways 6 Giveaways 49.4 Dzone starts

There are lies, damn lies and statistics, as Twain would tell us. With that said, my initial impression of Hanifin is that he's either as good or nearly as good as Hamilton right now. He's four years younger, nearly a million bucks cheaper and under contract for an additional three years, so by the time he's 25, we could be talking about this contract like Josi's.

I find Hanifin's game to be much smoother and polished - he doesn't handle the puck like a grenade the way Dougie could. Neither are especially physical. I was surprised to see Hanifin so buried in the defensive zone - 2/3 of his shifts begin there, which tells me Peters has a ton of confidence in the player.

On top of everything, Hanifin's presence has given Brodie's career a Senzu bean. The gap between Brodano and Gio/Hamilton is minimal, and Hanifin has been a stabilizing force on the 2nd pair.

So far so good. This trade could be an all-timer. But as the Zen Master says, 'We'll see'.

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Old 10-18-2018, 08:04 PM   #2
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Visually, the gap between these players is much smaller than I was expecting. After a disappointing season, perhaps I’m a little biased as the ‘warts’ of Hamilton stand out more prominently in my mind, such as perceived compete level. I just haven’t watched Hanifin enough to learn his warts. The nice thing is that he’s still young enough that those deficiencies in his game aren’t necessarily permanent.

Hamilton is still the better player now, but that isn’t the whole story of the trade (cap hit, RFA status, etc).
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Old 10-18-2018, 08:08 PM   #3
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Hanifin is a much better skater and I feel more confident with him as the last guy.

Dougie's shot though. That's really hard to replace. Only a handful of guys in the league can do it.
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Old 10-18-2018, 08:08 PM   #4
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As good as Hamilton was offensively you never felt "safe" with him handling the puck in the D zone like with Hanafin. Very nice as a person and sucks to see him go but as a hockey player im glad we traded him for Hanafin.
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Things I've been impressed with include

- His ability to keep pucks in at the blueline, including on the PP
- His ability to skate the puck out of his own zone
- The fact that most of the time I don't notice him at all. He has a quiet and calming presence on the ice.
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Old 10-18-2018, 08:11 PM   #6
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Noah just needs an assist and 18 SOG next game!

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Hamilton spent a lot of time with Gio, and Hanafin hasn't.

It's kind of tough to compare.
Hamilton does seem to be quite a bit better offensively. Hanafin doesn't ever seem to do anything too stupid, which is nice.
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Old 10-18-2018, 08:27 PM   #8
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It is the both the player and the big picture for me.

Stats aside, I didn’t like Hamilton’s compete without the puck. Hanifin hasn’t jumped out to me as being lax from time to time.

Hamilton got points, but Gio shaved about 20 points off in exchange. And Brodie on his off side didn’t seem comfortable.

Brodie and Gio plus Hanifin on the second pairing for the win.

Hanifin for the win as well - younger, with upside and doesn’t bring along a brother to fill an unearned roster spot.

Not to mention, for those who like Hanifin more, adding in Lindholm as upgrade on Ferly (with due respect to Ferly’s hot start)... man, what a deal.
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When I see Hanifin, I see a defenseman who can join the rush and create offense, but he's a defenseman first.

When I see Hamilton, I see a guy that was probably pushed into playing defense at a young age because of his size, but it looks like he'd rather play forward. He plays the game like a forward, not a defenseman.

I'll take Hanifin, even if Hamilton scores more goals. You need guys dedicated to defense playing that position. Guys who are more concerned about offense will sink your team in the long run. Hamilton always seemed concerned with shooting and scoring goals, not taking care of his own zone. I mean, he made a token effort, but he never seemed dedicated to it.
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Compete level and hunger to win seems greater with Hanafin, I think that closes any gap in skill between them.
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Old 10-18-2018, 09:23 PM   #11
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My $0.02...

Hanafin is a more complete defenseman, which is awesome considering he's younger.

Hamilton is a far better skater, has a better shot, is generally better offensively, but a big liability in his own zone.
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I'm not sure I agree Hamilton is the better skater.

Hanifin seems much faster and has way better escapability in the defensive zone and at the blueline in the offensive zone. I think he's going to be a stud for us!
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He's better offensively but a far better skater?!?
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Yeah. I find that weird. How and why can one declare Hamilton a better skater at all, much less far better?
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I was willing to trade Hamilton straight up for a first line forward but I am very happy Treliving was able to soften the blow by adding a Dman of Hanifins caliber. Hanifin was hyped to be almost the sure fire pick after Eichel in 2015. Similar to Jones the year before him he slipped 2 spots. I feel the Canes took a big risk trading him entering his 4th season. I love the contract and the potential.
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Hanifin is one of the best skaters in the league. He isnít inferior to Hamilton in that trait.
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My $0.02...

Hanafin is a more complete defenseman, which is awesome considering he's younger.

Hamilton is a far better skater, has a better shot, is generally better offensively, but a big liability in his own zone.
Better shot, but I don't think he's any better of a skater.
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Being a devils advocate...if Hanafin has so much upside, as reflected with so many positive comments via this thread.. ..then why did Hurricanes give him up?
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Being a devils advocate...if Hanafin has so much upside, as reflected with so many positive comments via this thread.. ..then why did Hurricanes give him up?
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Being a devils advocate...if Hanafin has so much upside, as reflected with so many positive comments via this thread.. ..then why did Hurricanes give him up?

One factor is that the owner was rumored to want to make a big splash
And the reality is that Dougie is an attractive commodity. He's got a unique set of attributes that teams want.
And so far - the trade has worked for both clubs.
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