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This morning on the Fan an Athletic reporter who nailed a ton of team point total predictions from last year still doesn't like the Oilers.

He's one of the few in the media who didn't pick them to be a playoff team last season and doesn't pick them this season as well.

As far as I'm concerned, he's got more credit that 90% of media types now.
Who's the reporter out of curiosity and what did he say about the Flames?
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Old 08-30-2018, 09:52 AM   #42
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This morning on the Fan an Athletic reporter who nailed a ton of team point total predictions from last year still doesn't like the Oilers.

He's one of the few in the media who didn't pick them to be a playoff team last season and doesn't pick them this season as well.

As far as I'm concerned, he's got more credit that 90% of media types now.
This always blows me away. People who get paid to do this for a living keep believing in the Oilers, year after year after year and disappointment after disappointment.

People thought last year's Oilers were going to win the President's Trophy and the Cup? You'd have to be high to believe that.

And this season's team is going to be worse.
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Who's the reporter out of curiosity and what did he say about the Flames?

Don't quite recall his name. But it was roughly between 8:05AM and 8:20AM today on the Fan. I think we can look it up later.

He said the Flames line in Vegas is currently at 94.5 points I believe, and he thinks that's a fair assessment.

Oilers are 92.5 and he is definitely taking the under because they haven't done anything to improve since last season.

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Old 08-30-2018, 10:58 AM   #45
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Stanley Cup winner:
Mark Spector: Edmonton Oilers

West Champion
Mark Spector: Edmonton Oilers

Team likely to disappoint
Mark Spector: Calgary Flames

Canadian team with highest point total
Mark Spector: Edmonton Oilers

Hart winner:
Mark Spector: Connor McDavid

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Mark Spector: Connor McDavid

Vezina Winner
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Mark Spector: Todd McLellan

I really curious on Mark's predictions for the Oilers this year. It didn't work out well for him last year. One out of eight.
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This always blows me away. People who get paid to do this for a living keep believing in the Oilers, year after year after year and disappointment after disappointment.

People thought last year's Oilers were going to win the President's Trophy and the Cup? You'd have to be high to believe that.

And this season's team is going to be worse.

The trouble is they get paid to have people listen to them, not to make accurate predictions. If people keep tuning in year after year, then there is no disappointment for them.
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Don't quite recall his name. But it was roughly between 8:05AM and 8:20AM today on the Fan. I think we can look it up later.

He said the Flames line in Vegas is currently at 94.5 points I believe, and he thinks that's a fair assessment.

Oilers are 92.5 and he is definitely taking the under because they haven't done anything to improve since last season.
It was Dom Luszczyszyn from the Athletic.
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https://www.sportsnet.ca/960/pat-ste...-expectations/

I am not sure if anyone heard it, but Derek Wills had Oilers PBP announcer Jack Michaels on the radio a few days ago, and when asked about the Oilers forward lines @ around the 18:00 mark he said that Drake Caggiula, Ty Rattie and Jessi Puljujarvi would be counted on this season for 55 goals.

Michaels is also a firm believer that Cam Talbot is a better goalie when he is playing +70 games, and that the Oilers are one of the strongest teams in the League at centre.
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55? Hah! Staufer only predicted 41, that #####.

As for being one of the strongest teams at C, if RNH were playing C, I would agree. But with him bumped up to the wing, their bottom 2 Cs are really weak, leaving them mid to strong at C, but not 'one of the strongest'
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Ugh, Jack Michaels. Even for Edmonton I feel pity for having him as an announcer, oie.
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I am not sure if anyone heard it, but Derek Wills had Oilers PBP announcer Jack Michaels on the radio a few days ago, and when asked about the Oilers forward lines @ around the 18:00 mark he said that Drake Caggiula, Ty Rattie and Jessi Puljujarvi would be counted on this season for 55 goals.

Michaels is also a firm believer that Cam Talbot is a better goalie when he is playing +70 games, and that the Oilers are one of the strongest teams in the League at centre.
Wow.... so which one scores 35?
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This is the second best time of year. When they get their hopes up, beyond any reasonable expectation of being able to achieve them.
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The funny thing is when he talked about why he mentioned the departed Eberle as the replacement goals needed, who left two years ago.

55 goals ...

JP career best 12 last year
DC career best 13 last year
TR 30 games total with 4 career goals total over 7 seasons with 3 teams
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Wow.... so which one scores 35?
I'm honestly trying to get my head around how Michaels breaks down this number of 55 goals for these three players. Maybe not a 35-goal scorer, but one would have to think he must envision one from the group tallying at least 25. For three players who have never even scored 15 goals in a season this is the very definition of a hot take.
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I think his thought process is something like this:

Caggiula shows some growth in the same role, and ups his total to 15
Rattie gets 1st line RW, where he pots 25
Puljujarvi plays 2nd line RW with Draisaitl, and puts up 15.

Each of those things could happen. But in the aggregate, that's a lot of optimism.
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I think his thought process is something like this:

Caggiula shows some growth in the same role, and ups his total to 15
Rattie gets 1st line RW, where he pots 25
Puljujarvi plays 2nd line RW with Draisaitl, and puts up 15.

Each of those things could happen. But in the aggregate, that's a lot of optimism.
I have to disagree. I do not see any possible scenario in which Ty Rattie becomes a 25-goal scorer. None.

Patrick Maroon once scored 27 on McDavid's wing, but he was already an established top-nine player with a couple of seasons of 40-point production levels to his name. Rattie is arguably not even an NHL player.
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The funny thing is when he talked about why he mentioned the departed Eberle as the replacement goals needed, who left two years ago.

55 goals ...

JP career best 12 last year
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TR 30 games total with 4 career goals total over 7 seasons with 3 teams
thus far the 3 have combined for 43 goals in their careers


I suppose somehow these 55 goals could happen or be approached, but only way that is conceivable is if these 3 guys are all top 6 wingers on your team and get heavy PP time, and it's hard to imagine that as a good thing?
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This morning on the Fan an Athletic reporter who nailed a ton of team point total predictions from last year still doesn't like the Oilers.

He's one of the few in the media who didn't pick them to be a playoff team last season and doesn't pick them this season as well.

As far as I'm concerned, he's got more credit that 90% of media types now.
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I think his thought process is something like this:

Caggiula shows some growth in the same role, and ups his total to 15
Rattie gets 1st line RW, where he pots 25
Puljujarvi plays 2nd line RW with Draisaitl, and puts up 15.

Each of those things could happen. But in the aggregate, that's a lot of optimism.
I dont even know what to say about that. I dont think the '15' goal predictions are outlandish, but the 25 for Rattie dont seem reasonable, but hey, who knows? If hes genuinely their 1st line RW it could happen. Maybe.
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