[News] Brodie skates on his own. Flames optimistic he will re-join team in near future.

[sureLoss]

https://www.nhl.com/flames/news/brod...wn/c-311591030

Flames General Manager Brad Treliving today provided the following update on defenceman TJ Brodie:

"TJ has been working out for the past several days and today skated on his own under the supervision of our medical staff. Over this past week he has had consultations with appropriate specialists in Calgary. To date all medical evaluations and testing have been reassuring. We still work to complete final testing and are optimistic he will re-join the team in the near future. TJ has been placed on injury reserve retroactive to November 14th."

[Flash Walken]

Great news

[ForeverFlameFan]

Glad he's okay. He's definitely been missed around here.

[Manhattanboy]

Sportsnet just reported TJ is on his way to join the team in Philadelphia.

[Zulu29]

That’s awesome news!

[curves2000]

I am happy to hear that he is doing well, I know it was a scary situation for all involved and I think he will be back soon although I don't think he plays right away, maybe more of a moral boost for him.

It really is interesting to see the stark contrast between the medical access and access to specialists & treatment between an ordinary Joe and a professional athlete in Canada.

I am not advocating having professional athletes wait and wait and wait for surgery, treatment or even have access to other specialists. It's just such a stark contrast.

A regular Joe probably isn't getting access to several different specialists ranging from neurological to cardiologists to even an Internal Medicine Dr and perhaps an EP Dr which is a specialist for the electrical components and function of your heart. All of this within a handful of days so that he can get back on the ice training and than playing.

With waiting lists for these professionals going weeks and months or even longer, it's interesting. Somebody most likely was getting bumped or rescheduled.

I have had enough experience with Dr. Ian Auld, the Flames Head Dr and the Dr who was in the press conference with Tre. He's an excellent Dr but there was a couple of issues with the office staff with return calls, faxes for MRI's etc that just wouldn't be happening to Gio or Johnny.

In my case it wasn't anything other than the constant battle with the health care system that almost everybody experiences.

On the flip side with a couple of other connections I had 15+ years ago for a hernia operation, was bumped up the line due to a relative the surgeon was friends with.

We pretend that we don't have a 2 tiered health system in Canada but that really isn't the case. A lot of the political parties and stakeholders claim everything is going great but a lot of patients feel different.

Just a thought

[Dion]

Good to see him back on skates and ready to join the team.

[bubbsy]

Great to hear!

[Red_Baron]

Originally Posted by curves2000

I am happy to hear that he is doing well, I know it was a scary situation for all involved and I think he will be back soon although I don't think he plays right away, maybe more of a moral boost for him.

It really is interesting to see the stark contrast between the medical access and access to specialists & treatment between an ordinary Joe and a professional athlete in Canada.

I am not advocating having professional athletes wait and wait and wait for surgery, treatment or even have access to other specialists. It's just such a stark contrast.

A regular Joe probably isn't getting access to several different specialists ranging from neurological to cardiologists to even an Internal Medicine Dr and perhaps an EP Dr which is a specialist for the electrical components and function of your heart. All of this within a handful of days so that he can get back on the ice training and than playing.

With waiting lists for these professionals going weeks and months or even longer, it's interesting. Somebody most likely was getting bumped or rescheduled.

I have had enough experience with Dr. Ian Auld, the Flames Head Dr and the Dr who was in the press conference with Tre. He's an excellent Dr but there was a couple of issues with the office staff with return calls, faxes for MRI's etc that just wouldn't be happening to Gio or Johnny.

In my case it wasn't anything other than the constant battle with the health care system that almost everybody experiences.

On the flip side with a couple of other connections I had 15+ years ago for a hernia operation, was bumped up the line due to a relative the surgeon was friends with.

We pretend that we don't have a 2 tiered health system in Canada but that really isn't the case. A lot of the political parties and stakeholders claim everything is going great but a lot of patients feel different.

Just a thought

Here in BC there is a 2 tiered healthcare system (even though the government is wasting more money fighting it witha court challenge) and I am okay with it. Specialists are limited by the government as to how many patients they see, how much OR time is available, and how many MRI machines and other specialty equipment that there is. The MRI machine in Kelowna is pretty much run around the clock but it still isn't enough.



With the option of paying for an MRI at the private clinic, you can get back to work or back to exercising or playing a sport sooner and suffer less-if you can afford it. The surgical clinics open up operating room time in hospitals by taking some non-essential surgeries out of the public facilities.

Last time I needed an injury evaluated and operated on, I was not in a position where I could afford care at the private clinic but outside of jealousy, there really is no reason to make more people suffer if the system in place isn't adequate.



And get better TJ Brodie!

[GioforPM]

I dunno, I’ve been in the hospital with a senior who had broken a hip, which lead to a heart issue and a stroke. She had a ton of those tests, Internists, cardiologists and neurologists were all in attendance.

Urgent care in Canada is great.

[Huntingwhale]

Glad to hear he's doing well and looking to return soon. I know some people want to run him out of town. But I think the team has really missed him on the backend. They don't move quite as well without him. The Flames with Brodie in their top 4 is much better then without him.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by curves2000

I am happy to hear that he is doing well, I know it was a scary situation for all involved and I think he will be back soon although I don't think he plays right away, maybe more of a moral boost for him.

It really is interesting to see the stark contrast between the medical access and access to specialists & treatment between an ordinary Joe and a professional athlete in Canada.

I am not advocating having professional athletes wait and wait and wait for surgery, treatment or even have access to other specialists. It's just such a stark contrast.

A regular Joe probably isn't getting access to several different specialists ranging from neurological to cardiologists to even an Internal Medicine Dr and perhaps an EP Dr which is a specialist for the electrical components and function of your heart. All of this within a handful of days so that he can get back on the ice training and than playing.

With waiting lists for these professionals going weeks and months or even longer, it's interesting. Somebody most likely was getting bumped or rescheduled.

I have had enough experience with Dr. Ian Auld, the Flames Head Dr and the Dr who was in the press conference with Tre. He's an excellent Dr but there was a couple of issues with the office staff with return calls, faxes for MRI's etc that just wouldn't be happening to Gio or Johnny.

In my case it wasn't anything other than the constant battle with the health care system that almost everybody experiences.

On the flip side with a couple of other connections I had 15+ years ago for a hernia operation, was bumped up the line due to a relative the surgeon was friends with.

We pretend that we don't have a 2 tiered health system in Canada but that really isn't the case. A lot of the political parties and stakeholders claim everything is going great but a lot of patients feel different.

Just a thought

Disagree on this. Very aware of a situation which ended up being an electrical anomaly of the heart where a thorough battery of tests happened, for an average joe, all within a few days, including cardiac MRI. Libin Institute at the Foothills is great.

[curves2000]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Disagree on this. Very aware of a situation which ended up being an electrical anomaly of the heart where a thorough battery of tests happened, for an average joe, all within a few days, including cardiac MRI. Libin Institute at the Foothills is great.

I think I should have clarified in my post that I was referring to non life threatening and urgent care cases.

In Brodie's case he collapsed, was attended to at the Dome and than was transported to hospital alert. He was released after a few hours after it was deemed that this wasn't a life threatening case.

Where the divergence happens was after the fact where he had a battery of testing and saw a variety of specialists in a very very short order for observation.

The waiting time to see a cardiologist, an electrical specialist or other specialists is generally weeks and months if not more. How many people do you know that have ever said they got their issues dealt with in 3-4 days?

This isn't unique to TJ Brodie. It is literally an absolute given that a certain segment of the Canadian population is given 100% priority.

Justin Trudeau, Jason Kenny, members of Cabinet and elite members of the military aren't waiting around weeks & months for a consultation, testing to be ordered, a follow up appointment and than the treatment or surgery to start.

As a hockey related example, say Mike Babcock needed elective eye surgery, I doubt he is waiting the approx 2-3 months for a consult before decision is made on surgery. A quick look at the waiting times for Ontario show this but as I noted above, it wouldn't happen for a specific group of people.

https://www.hqontario.ca/System-Perf...st-Appointment

[jayswin]

The real difference between an average joe and TJ brodie isn't the health care order of events and wait times it was the fact that he was in the presence of team physicians and wearing full protective gear when it happened.

That's where he really lucked out vs the average joe who has a big chance of being alone or not with professionals and likely ends up taking a head hit in the fall.

[Manhattanboy]

Weird place to debate two tier Medicare.

[getbak]

[shogged]

Originally Posted by curves2000

I think I should have clarified in my post that I was referring to non life threatening and urgent care cases.

In Brodie's case he collapsed, was attended to at the Dome and than was transported to hospital alert. He was released after a few hours after it was deemed that this wasn't a life threatening case.

Where the divergence happens was after the fact where he had a battery of testing and saw a variety of specialists in a very very short order for observation.

The waiting time to see a cardiologist, an electrical specialist or other specialists is generally weeks and months if not more. How many people do you know that have ever said they got their issues dealt with in 3-4 days?

This isn't unique to TJ Brodie. It is literally an absolute given that a certain segment of the Canadian population is given 100% priority.

Justin Trudeau, Jason Kenny, members of Cabinet and elite members of the military aren't waiting around weeks & months for a consultation, testing to be ordered, a follow up appointment and than the treatment or surgery to start.

As a hockey related example, say Mike Babcock needed elective eye surgery, I doubt he is waiting the approx 2-3 months for a consult before decision is made on surgery. A quick look at the waiting times for Ontario show this but as I noted above, it wouldn't happen for a specific group of people.

https://www.hqontario.ca/System-Perf...st-Appointment

purely speculation on your part. seizures and collapsing without warning are 100% a medical emergency and you're comparing it to things like a knee replacement or non emergency eye surgery, which is where the actual wait times exist. I would bet the farm that if you went through the same situation, you'd receive the same level of care.

[curves2000]

Originally Posted by jayswin

The real difference between an average joe and TJ brodie isn't the health care order of events and wait times it was the fact that he was in the presence of team physicians and wearing full protective gear when it happened.

That's where he really lucked out vs the average joe who has a big chance of being alone or not with professionals and likely ends up taking a head hit in the fall.

If he was in full gear or not isn't really the difference when it comes professional athletes and Canadian health access. This goes across the board for every single type of injury that requires hospital and surgery treatment.

If a general member of the public has broken an ankle, a foot, torn a ligament or multiple ligaments in a knee or has a shoulder issue, it isn't being dealt with in the same manner as Trudeau's, Kenny's, Johnny's or whomever. All of those cases are usually dealt with in a public hospital using public health care workers and Dr's and other public resources but we all don't have the same access.

As a poster said earlier, probably not the best place to debate this here. I was just highlighting the stark contrast between athletes and us. While the timeline for a regular Joe may be 1-2 years for some of these procedures from start to finish, for athletes and others it isn't. When was the last time a Canadian NHL player had to miss the rest of this season and potentially next while waiting for a consult with a surgeon? It doesn't happen cause they are taken care of in days unless medically needed to wait.

The Cambie Clinic in Vancouver is taking the federal government to the Supreme Court for these reasons and it could change the landscape in healthcare for everyone. Like I said in my first post, while we like to PRETEND that the access is the same for all, that actually isn't the required standard and its a standard that is few people know about. WCB, Athletes, members of the police and armed forces and others, political players are given priority, no questions asked.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by curves2000

I think I should have clarified in my post that I was referring to non life threatening and urgent care cases.

In Brodie's case he collapsed, was attended to at the Dome and than was transported to hospital alert. He was released after a few hours after it was deemed that this wasn't a life threatening case.

Where the divergence happens was after the fact where he had a battery of testing and saw a variety of specialists in a very very short order for observation.

The waiting time to see a cardiologist, an electrical specialist or other specialists is generally weeks and months if not more. How many people do you know that have ever said they got their issues dealt with in 3-4 days?

This isn't unique to TJ Brodie. It is literally an absolute given that a certain segment of the Canadian population is given 100% priority.

Justin Trudeau, Jason Kenny, members of Cabinet and elite members of the military aren't waiting around weeks & months for a consultation, testing to be ordered, a follow up appointment and than the treatment or surgery to start.

As a hockey related example, say Mike Babcock needed elective eye surgery, I doubt he is waiting the approx 2-3 months for a consult before decision is made on surgery. A quick look at the waiting times for Ontario show this but as I noted above, it wouldn't happen for a specific group of people.

https://www.hqontario.ca/System-Perf...st-Appointment

Well thanks for clarifying, and in the case I describe, your assumption is basically not correct. The person went to the hospital with a tachycardia, roughly 200 bpm. (Funny enough, the person checked emergency wait times prior to going.) That was dealt with and reset by emergency staff.

It was at that point non life threatening.

They kept the person in hospital for 4 overnights, Holter monitor, EKG, cardiac MRI. That led to diagnosis and consultation with a specialist, an electrocardiologist from the Libin institute.

Now once the condition was diagnosed, the options to manage and/or rectify the condition were discussed.

The diagnosis of this condition was not as far as I am concerned less for this average joe than they would have been for TJ Brodie, as you seem to want to believe.

Treatment, sure. You can probably find options that allow you to accelerate things.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by curves2000

The waiting time to see a cardiologist, an electrical specialist or other specialists is generally weeks and months if not more. How many people do you know that have ever said they got their issues dealt with in 3-4 days?

Uh, no. I was experiencing an irregular heartbeat and went to the hospital. Basically just high fived the triage nurse on the way back to immediate attention, and had a battery of tests complete within days, stress test, 24hr heart monitor harness, cardiologist appointment...