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Old 11-18-2019, 09:11 AM   #2101
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I feel like the whole problem was that WB and Snyder wanted different things from the start and those issues were never resolved. Snyder wanted to make a 5 movie epic arc similar to the Lord of the Rings where those 5 movies would function as a stand alone series to watch. WB saw what Disney/Marvel was doing and wanted a continuous universe where we get solo films and then they tie into an event film.

If they do release the Snyder Cut of JL and it is well received I do wonder where the franchise goes from here. It doesn't seem like WB is too keen on JL2 at this point but with the success of Joker and Aquaman hopefully they see that DC is there most valuable franchise.
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Old 11-18-2019, 09:20 AM   #2102
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No but there’s been an online campaign and the actors have tweeted support, after being silent on the issue for quite a while. Then yesterday the score composer tweeted a teaser that said “tomorrow”.

While it could be all coincidence, it seems odd all these things would happen at once. Speculation is DC has already decided and this is all just hype.
I really hope it's true. However, I was under the impression that the Snyder Cut still needed 10s of millions of dollars of production to finish the effects. I can't see WB putting that kind of money into this film.

If we end up with an unfinished copy, it'll be interesting to watch just for the sake of seeing "what could have been".
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Old 11-18-2019, 10:15 AM   #2103
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Snyder had control of Batman vs. Superman and IMO that movie was even worse than JL.

So yeah...not sure why we should think that Snyder's version of JL will be much better than what it ended up being.
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Snyder had control of Batman vs. Superman and IMO that movie was even worse than JL.

So yeah...not sure why we should think that Snyder's version of JL will be much better than what it ended up being.
On top of the fact that...its just a different cut.

People can complain about the 'Whedon Cut' or whatever the hell they want to call it, but in all reality the truth is more likely:

"This is a giant mess, that guy is gone, just finish it."

I cant even see it being even all that different.
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Old 11-18-2019, 01:10 PM   #2105
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So, uh, Alan Moore (Watchmen, V for Vendetta, Swamp Thing etc) with some positive words on the comic book movie craze and pop culture in general...

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Old 11-18-2019, 02:28 PM   #2106
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So, uh, Alan Moore (Watchmen, V for Vendetta, Swamp Thing etc) with some positive words on the comic book movie craze and pop culture in general...

He definitely makes some interesting points. I'm not surprised that Moore, who's initial idea behind Watchmen was to brutally murder all the Charlton Comics characters that DC had just acquired, thinks like this.

It is a bit strange that Moore, who wrote comics that largely only adults would get, is now campaigning against adults enjoying comic books. He also fails to mention that most of the creators of the early comics were actually Jewish, and many of the heros were actually misfits (for example, the Hulk, X-men, Batman, etc). So I'm not sure his point about Aryan supermen really holds up.

The idea that comics and animation were originally just for children, simply isn't true. Much of the early animation and comics were aimed at an adult audience. It wasn't until the 1960s (in the camp-era) when everything became censored, that things started to change. For example, comic books were very popular with soldiers during WWII:

https://www.military.com/undertherad...se-comics.html

I agree with Moore, that comic books are about escapism, but I don't see anything wrong with that.
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Old 11-19-2019, 04:41 PM   #2107
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Joker sequel in the works, and Todd Phillps is also looking to direct another DC origin film....

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/he...r_breakingnews

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Old 11-20-2019, 07:57 AM   #2109
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Ok so the whole SnyderCut thing didn’t happen but a lot of people are still clamouring for it.
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Old 11-20-2019, 01:37 PM   #2110
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Apparently Joker 2 rumours are being debunked now, but Phillips has inquired about doing other villain origin stories.
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Old 11-20-2019, 02:53 PM   #2111
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Ok so the whole SnyderCut thing didn’t happen but a lot of people are still clamouring for it.
Is it because they think that the movie shouldnt have sucked? Because, it likely shouldnt have and there are definitely a multitude of things that could have made it substantially better.

But its highly unlikely given his track record that Snyder would be responsible for such an event.
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Old 11-21-2019, 08:57 AM   #2112
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The SnyderCut is a completely different movie. First of all it is 3 hrs long so there is another hr of footage and the story is completely different. It features Darkseid and we already know that Iris West was completely cut from the theatrical version. Cyborg also had several scenes cut from the theatrical version including all his high school football footage and scenes with his Mom.



Even if you hated MOS, BvS, JL , having the Snyder Cut of JL released doesn't affect you. If you don't want to watch it then dont watch it lol. But for the studio to change directors after the film was finished and to use Snyders daughters suicide as the excuse was pretty scummy. It was also unfair to Wheadon and put him in a tough spot which resulted in getting the film we got. And I say all this as someone who actually enjoys JL and owns 3 copies of the film.

There is no question that DC is hot right now, and I think WB now realizes that DC is their most valuable property. Now would be the perfect time to release the Snyder Cut.
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Old 11-21-2019, 09:01 AM   #2113
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That's all well and good but the studio would have to put up the money to complete the effects, re-market and release it. Would it be direct release or theatrical? Would they make their money back for the effort?

If it was a non-CGI heavy movie I could see a directors cut working. There have been lots that worked well.

This would be expensive.
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Old 11-21-2019, 09:04 AM   #2114
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The SnyderCut is a completely different movie. First of all it is 3 hrs long so there is another hr of footage and the story is completely different. It features Darkseid and we already know that Iris West was completely cut from the theatrical version. Cyborg also had several scenes cut from the theatrical version including all his high school football footage and scenes with his Mom.



Even if you hated MOS, BvS, JL , having the Snyder Cut of JL released doesn't affect you. If you don't want to watch it then dont watch it lol. But for the studio to change directors after the film was finished and to use Snyders daughters suicide as the excuse was pretty scummy. It was also unfair to Wheadon and put him in a tough spot which resulted in getting the film we got. And I say all this as someone who actually enjoys JL and owns 3 copies of the film.

There is no question that DC is hot right now, and I think WB now realizes that DC is their most valuable property. Now would be the perfect time to release the Snyder Cut.
Heres the thing...

If it was significantly better, and mind you thats not a very high bar here, they'd have either released it as he envisioned it or instructed it to be completed similarly.

That fact that its incredibly long doesnt necessarily mean its any better. The movie was already criminally long to go along with its meandering pointlessness.

But you're right, if you dont like the movie then the Super-Cut isnt likely to change that opinion one way or the other.
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Old 11-21-2019, 09:23 AM   #2115
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From what I've read online most of the movie is already completed. Snyder was working on the post production VFX for a while before being let go. Jason Mamoa said he say the Snyder Cut, which is a risky thing to say when your currently under contract by WB.

Look, I have no idea if it's better or not,or if audiences will enjoy it more or less, but I'm super curious to see what the story was and what Snyder had planned. Justice League is such an amazing comic book group (maybe the best ever?) it's a shame there first movie has so much controversy around it. I think releasing it on HBO Max would be a smart move and get people to sign up to
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Old 11-21-2019, 10:03 AM   #2116
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From what I've read online most of the movie is already completed. Snyder was working on the post production VFX for a while before being let go. Jason Mamoa said he say the Snyder Cut, which is a risky thing to say when your currently under contract by WB.

Look, I have no idea if it's better or not,or if audiences will enjoy it more or less, but I'm super curious to see what the story was and what Snyder had planned. Justice League is such an amazing comic book group (maybe the best ever?) it's a shame there first movie has so much controversy around it. I think releasing it on HBO Max would be a smart move and get people to sign up to

I don't think it's controversial at all, it was almost universally panned by critics and audiences. A movie like The Last Jedi is controversial, not Justice League
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Old 12-03-2019, 07:40 AM   #2119
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Black Widow trailer looks good. My only complaint is the timing of this film. We know what happens to her in EG, but I imagine this will set up Florence Pugh as the new Black Widow going forward.
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I hope Black Widow can fit in the timeline now so that Natasha's death in Endgame feels a bit stronger. (ie, in future binges, watch it before IW).
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