Miss Canada/Miss Universe Thread

[GirlySports]

Q&A your favorite part.

Spoiler!

The questions are so random and generic now. In the past they would ask contestants something personal but that was deemed unfair.

[Fuzz]

Well that was awful.

[nik-]

This is more popular than the K-Pop thread.

[jammies]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Also it's absolutely fine to question her collarbone and asymmetry. It's no different then questioning Brodie's slapshot.

Well, one is criticizing a physical skill directly related to his performance as a pro hockey player, and the other is applying impossible standards of beauty to a woman - a pervasive meme which affects impressionable girls with poor self-image and feelings of inadequacy. I think not only are they different questions, but wildly different, and a borderline offensive question in the latter instance.

And before we go down that road, of course I make conscious and unconscious evaluations of attractiveness, but there's another profound difference between judgement, and petty snipes, and between what one should say in public, or think in private. This isn't TMZ, or some celebrity gossip site, and doesn't need to devolve that way.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by jammies

Well, one is criticizing a physical skill directly related to his performance as a pro hockey player, and the other is applying impossible standards of beauty to a woman - a pervasive meme which affects impressionable girls with poor self-image and feelings of inadequacy. I think not only are they different questions, but wildly different, and a borderline offensive question in the latter instance.

And before we go down that road, of course I make conscious and unconscious evaluations of attractiveness, but there's another profound difference between judgement, and petty snipes, and between what one should say in public, or think in private. This isn't TMZ, or some celebrity gossip site, and doesn't need to devolve that way.

But that's what pageants are. An impossible skill. Not dissimilar to the 0.1% chance someone will be an NHLer. Boys and girls who are poor at sports also feel inadequate in life with poor self-image.

As has been discussed here. It's very similar to sports. There's training in posture, make-up, hair, camera angles, clothes, fashion, speaking, listening, friendliness...everything.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

But that's what pageants are. An impossible skill. Not dissimilar to the 0.1% chance someone will be an NHLer. Boys and girls who are poor at sports also feel inadequate in life with poor self-image.

As has been discussed here. It's very similar to sports. There's training in posture, make-up, hair, camera angles, clothes, fashion, speaking, listening, friendliness...everything.

You are confusing talents with natural traits. Criticizing someone for having a pointy collarbone is targeting something out of their control. Criticizing someone for bad posture is not. This isn't all that complicated.

[FireFly]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

But that's what pageants are. An impossible skill. Not dissimilar to the 0.1% chance someone will be an NHLer. Boys and girls who are poor at sports also feel inadequate in life with poor self-image.

As has been discussed here. It's very similar to sports. There's training in posture, make-up, hair, camera angles, clothes, fashion, speaking, listening, friendliness...everything.

Boys and girls are born with faces that are either symmetrical or not and collarbones that are either weird or normal. No amount of training will change a person's bone structure.


Are you advocating for plastic surgery then for someone who wants to be a pagent contestant but isn't quite right? Because there is no way to train your face to not have the shape it does.

[nik-]

She should fire her collarbone coach.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by ae118

Cool. Good for her.

This should have been the only post in this thread.....

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by FireFly

Boys and girls are born with faces that are either symmetrical or not and collarbones that are either weird or normal. No amount of training will change a person's bone structure.


Are you advocating for plastic surgery then for someone who wants to be a pagent contestant but isn't quite right? Because there is no way to train your face to not have the shape it does.

Sure but then they wouldn't pursue it or get eliminated at the kid county pageant. No different than someone who cant skate in peewee no matter what.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by blankall

This should have been the only post in this thread.....

No it shouldn't.

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

No it shouldn't.

Stop being so trans-phobic!

[SebC]

Originally Posted by DownInFlames

I could look at her photos for 100 hours and not notice these things you guys are pointing out. Are you purposely looking for flaws?

As a portrait photographer, attention to visual detail is an important skill.

[haiku]

Originally Posted by SebC

As a portrait photographer, attention to visual detail is an important skill.

as portrait photog
are you any way single
details or incels

[Matata]

Originally Posted by jammies

Well, one is criticizing a physical skill directly related to his performance as a pro hockey player, and the other is applying impossible standards of beauty to a woman - a pervasive meme which affects impressionable girls with poor self-image and feelings of inadequacy. I think not only are they different questions, but wildly different, and a borderline offensive question in the latter instance.

And before we go down that road, of course I make conscious and unconscious evaluations of attractiveness, but there's another profound difference between judgement, and petty snipes, and between what one should say in public, or think in private. This isn't TMZ, or some celebrity gossip site, and doesn't need to devolve that way.

An NHLers ability to perform is heavily reliant on the physical gifts they were born with. You can criticize a players skating ability all day, but their musculature and bone structure is going to put a hard limit on what they can achieve and it's perfectly acceptable to criticize either of those things. Micheal Phelps is the best swimmer of all time largely because every bit of his physique was highly conductive to being a swimmer, effort only gets you so far.



She voluntarily chose to build a career on her beauty, knowing that every aspect of her appearance would be evaluated and dissected. She's doing it at an extremely high level and is going to get a level of criticism appropriate to that level.

[nik-]

And she won.

So?

[Matata]

So feel free to criticize her collarbones.

[OMG!WTF!]

Originally Posted by Matata

An NHLers ability to perform is heavily reliant on the physical gifts they were born with. You can criticize a players skating ability all day, but their musculature and bone structure is going to put a hard limit on what they can achieve and it's perfectly acceptable to criticize either of those things. Micheal Phelps is the best swimmer of all time largely because every bit of his physique was highly conductive to being a swimmer, effort only gets you so far.



She voluntarily chose to build a career on her beauty, knowing that every aspect of her appearance would be evaluated and dissected. She's doing it at an extremely high level and is going to get a level of criticism appropriate to that level.

I don't ever recall hearing any commentator in any professional sport criticizing any player's physical characteristics. Oh, except Jimmy The Greek. The criticism you do hear is almost entirely effort related, or mental preparation, or a simple lack of skill in an area. It's pretty much a given all pro athletes are incredibly gifted. The knock comes when the effort, skill or outcome doesn't match the "gift:". That's a lot different than what we're hearing about someone's mismatched Frankenstein bones.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by OMG!WTF!

I don't ever recall hearing any commentator in any professional sport criticizing any player's physical characteristics. Oh, except Jimmy The Greek. The criticism you do hear is almost entirely effort related, or mental preparation, or a simple lack of skill in an area. It's pretty much a given all pro athletes are incredibly gifted. The knock comes when the effort, skill or outcome doesn't match the "gift:". That's a lot different than what we're hearing about someone's mismatched Frankenstein bones.

pageant commentators don't criticize a contestants physical characteristics either. It's us

They will criticize style, poise, posture, hair, clothes etc...

[Matata]

Gaudreau was heavily criticized as being too small and weak to be an effective NHLer. Martin St. Louis' freak legs were frequently cited as being critical to his success. Crosby's and Forsbergs tree trunk legs. McDavid's fast twitch muscles. Brock Lesnar's overall freak genetics. Jon Jones' long reach. It's super common.


Are we all supposed to assume it's just a coincidence they all possess stunning physical beauty?