Alberta Election Thread - Election Day April 16 2019

[Dion]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

https://twitter.com/user/status/1109849538922074112

Makes the NDP look like hypocrites. If they were asked, Phillips and the rest of the party would tell you that their views on pipelines have changed and that is no longer true. However they want us to believe that Kenney can't change and all their smear and fear is right. They can't have it both ways.

The same applies to the UCP and their attack ads. Hypocrites also.

Thing is I heard someone say that there is a fine line between politicians and criminals. "Both will do whatever it takes to get what they want".

[Travis Munroe]

Seems a large population on CP is voting AP in spite of Kenney and would vote UCP if someone else was in charge.

Would you feel satisfied in your vote if by some freak chance the NDP regained control because of too much vote splitting between the AP and UCP? Or would you look back and regret your vote?

In other words, if you are voting for the AP, and you had 1 of 2 options, which would you choose?
UCP and Kenney in charge
NDP and Notley in charge

[Ozy_Flame]

That is a weird question. I vote for the AP to win my constituency, why would i base my vote on who is in charge in light of my vote? If I want to vote AP because I like their platform and what they offer, I don't think about what Kenney or Notley is going to do for me as a result.

[DiracSpike]

There's no excuse for any Alberta political party of any stripe to be against pipelines, period. They had one good year, last year, fighting for Alberta and it glossed over a lot of their missteps earlier in their tenure even to people like me laser focused on pipelines. But lookong back now on their record earlier it's borderline unforgivable to have been ambivalent at best about NG. Awful.

[Dan02]

Originally Posted by Travis Munroe

Seems a large population on CP is voting AP in spite of Kenney and would vote UCP if someone else was in charge.

Would you feel satisfied in your vote if by some freak chance the NDP regained control because of too much vote splitting between the AP and UCP? Or would you look back and regret your vote?

In other words, if you are voting for the AP, and you had 1 of 2 options, which would you choose?
UCP and Kenney in charge
NDP and Notley in charge

The thing is though Kenney is in charge because he most represented the views of the UCP voters. Essentially you're saying people would vote UCP if they weren't actually the UCP.

Unfortunately, when they united they accepted the crackpot wildrose elements back into the party.

I just wish we could have a socially progressive, fiscally conservative party actually make some traction in this province. Instead we get the spend thrift NDP and the socially backwards UCP.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

That is a weird question. I vote for the AP to win my constituency, why would i base my vote on who is in charge in light of my vote? If I want to vote AP because I like their platform and what they offer, I don't think about what Kenney or Notley is going to do for me as a result.

Consider this:

If the CP online poll was an indication of how AB voters would vote, we'd have the same thing happen as did in 2015. The AB and the UCP would split the votes with Notley coming up the middle to win another term as Premier.

[Travis Munroe]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

That is a weird question. I vote for the AP to win my constituency, why would i base my vote on who is in charge in light of my vote? If I want to vote AP because I like their platform and what they offer, I don't think about what Kenney or Notley is going to do for me as a result.

Then the question doesn't apply to you.... it is for the large number of people who would have voted UCP if not for "Kenney"

[Ozy_Flame]

You're not honestly worried about this happening are you?

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

You're not honestly worried about this happening are you?

Is that question directed at me?

[Travis Munroe]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

You're not honestly worried about this happening are you?

Again, my post states "by some freak chance".

You can't count anything out of the possibilities and measure up all scenarios.

[Ozy_Flame]

UCP is poised to win, I am not sure the "freak chance" really is of any concern.

[transplant99]

Also Sunday, Alberta Party leader Stephen Mandel promised to introduce a single provincial identification card that would replace the current drivers’ licences, health cards, provincial ID and the card necessary for buying hunting and fishing licences.

That's actually a great idea.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

UCP is poised to win, I am not sure the "freak chance" really is of any concern.

Danielle Smith and the WRP were poised to win 2011. Anything can happen between now and the day of the vote.

[Travis Munroe]

Originally Posted by transplant99

That's actually a great idea.

I have no idea about the numbers but wouldn't this be taking revenue away from the government? These guys platform is all about give give give with no indication where they are going to get the money to give. Removing multiple cards is just another "give" in terms of government revenue imo.

For the record, I would love to have a single card for everything... it just makes sense to me why they don't already do it this way.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Travis Munroe

I have no idea about the numbers but wouldn't this be taking revenue away from the government? These guys platform is all about give give give with no indication where they are going to get the money to give. Removing multiple cards is just another "give" in terms of government revenue imo.

For the record, I would love to have a single card for everything... it just makes sense to me why they don't already do it this way.

I don’t think there would be a loss in revenue. Without knowing the specifics on the AP’s plan one would assume you would still need to pay the renewal fees and such to maintain the permits covered by a single card they just wouldn’t need to issue you multiple cards, which should reduce the costs associated with issuing the permits.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Travis Munroe

Seems a large population on CP is voting AP in spite of Kenney and would vote UCP if someone else was in charge.

Would you feel satisfied in your vote if by some freak chance the NDP regained control because of too much vote splitting between the AP and UCP? Or would you look back and regret your vote?

In other words, if you are voting for the AP, and you had 1 of 2 options, which would you choose?
UCP and Kenney in charge
NDP and Notley in charge

I don’t think that choice would ever occur.

In order for the AP to win they would have to siphon votes off of both sides. As they became more popular in polling the NDP support would also have to drop as well. I see your scenario as so remote it’s not worth considering unless we see a province wide poll with the AP above 15%.

I think a more likely scenario is Kenny being forced to resign and an actual anti-abortion, anti-equality leader taking over and driving Alberta backwards. That’s not likely either.

The UCP made its choice to elect an unlikable leader. Kenny made his choice to run the Kamikaze guy, It appears that he either was incompetent in his oversite or complicit in the illegal funding of this candidate. These are things that the UCP and Kenny choose to do.

I as a voter have a certain minimum standard that regardless of the outcome I will not compromise on. If things go horribly as a result of these minimum standards that is not my fault. It is the fault of politicians not doing the bare minimum of doing a good job at covering up their unethical behaviour.

In answer to your question I take Notley. Kenny fails to meet my minimum standards.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Dion

Consider this:

If the CP online poll was an indication of how AB voters would vote, we'd have the same thing happen as did in 2015. The AB and the UCP would split the votes with Notley coming up the middle to win another term as Premier.

You are assuming that the AP votes naturally would go to the UCP. Perhaps that poll suggests that the AP and NDP are splitting the Center and Left votes with the Conservatives coming up the middle to win.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

The problem is, so should Notley.

[gasman]

Originally Posted by transplant99

That's actually a great idea.

Is it actually?

Something like a drivers license might be handy, but I imagine logistics of having it accepted as photo ID outside of Alberta is suspect. So what's the point

And as far as his reference to Alberta health care cards, the paper cards do suck, but there is a super simple answer. Take a photo of it. Save it either in an album or in a specific card storage app.

And then we don't need to spend millions of dollars developing a provincial app.

The premise is sexy, but this is a stupid waste of money.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

The problem is, so should Notley.

My standards aren’t that high to at least consider you so Notley is still in. More or less it’s dont #### with our democratic systems. I’m okay with policy disagreements but things like what Trudeau did and what it appears Kenny is involved with is a red line.