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KootenayFlamesFan · 08-29-2018, 10:15 AM

Oh man if they can get anything decent for him it will be almost like lost money.

KelVarnsen · 08-29-2018, 02:45 PM

https://twitter.com/user/status/1034904014960386049

flames_fan_down_under · 08-29-2018, 02:52 PM

That's a bit of a red flag. Would they even be able to trade him now?

What a nightmare of a season.

flames_fan_down_under · 08-29-2018, 03:06 PM

Am I crazy to think: give Donaldson a qualifying offer, hope he can get fully healthy over the winter break, come back next season and we trade him, or he rejects the QO, another team signs him and we get a compensatory pick?

Edit: another thing: did the jays rush him back desperate to see if they could trade him? Just the track record with this team and how it has handled injuries I wouldn't be surprised.

cross16 · 08-29-2018, 03:24 PM

According to Jeff Passan the comp pick they would get for Donaldson is not very attractive

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Clarification: Because the Blue Jays are revenue sharing payors, the pick they would get if they give Josh Donaldson a QO and he leaves would be in the 75-80 range regardless of what size deal he gets.

Still think Donaldson for one year at $18M is a deal most teams would take.

flambers · 08-29-2018, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by flames_fan_down_under

Am I crazy to think: give Donaldson a qualifying offer, hope he can get fully healthy over the winter break, come back next season and we trade him, or he rejects the QO, another team signs him and we get a compensatory pick?

Edit: another thing: did the jays rush him back desperate to see if they could trade him? Just the track record with this team and how it has handled injuries I wouldn't be surprised.

If the Jays are smart and if they don't trade him they definitely should not qualify the player

Roof-Daddy · 08-29-2018, 04:33 PM

I don't think the Jays have any interest in paying 18 million for a player who looks like he's headed down the same road as Tulo. Especially when they are already saddled with the very same Tulo.

Guy has payed 36 games this year, hasnt played in months, plays one game and has to sit out the next day with "soreness"?

Good grief

KootenayFlamesFan · 08-29-2018, 04:37 PM

Jon Heyman@JonHeyman

Sources: kendrys morales, who set club record with home runs in 7 straight games, and rhp marco estrada, both cleared waivers and are eligible to be dealt by friday deadline
#jays

flames_fan_down_under · 08-29-2018, 04:49 PM

I doubt there would be any interest in either of those players.

Jason14h · 08-29-2018, 05:03 PM

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I doubt there would be any interest in either of those players.

Estrada to Houston may make sense with their injury issues last few weeks.

Plus Jays and Houston have hooked up before

Roof-Daddy · 08-29-2018, 06:51 PM

Jays young pitchers just getting crushed by the Orioles in this series.

Brutal.

Karl · 08-29-2018, 07:20 PM

Wow this team is freaking pathetic.

Karl · 08-29-2018, 07:37 PM

Grichuk whiffs a routine pop up.

bluejays · 08-29-2018, 10:18 PM

Jays management has royally f'd up the Donaldson situation. There's no way they could've predicted he'd get injured and be out, but given that in the offseason he'd have his best value, it really is a headscratcher why they didn't deal him then.

Regardless, to get anything for him, I do think they need to make that $18MM qualifying offer this off-season, and let him redeem himself, then you deal him for value. He can't have two bad years in a row, and if he does, it's $18MM gone, but no long term harm. I don't think Vlad playing third will be in the cards long term, so I don't think that would prevent the Jays next year from calling him up and playing him in a different position.

GirlySports · 08-29-2018, 10:28 PM

Yeah in the off season it was Donaldson to STL for Weaver or Flaherty or both!

browna · 08-29-2018, 10:30 PM

Though Atkins and Shapiro are, and have always been about as phony as a $3 bill and much of the blame for the Donaldson situation falls right at their feet for not selling high and then yes, Imo pushing JD to play when he wasn't ready. Now its gone to ####, but google tells me Estrada and JD's demises started off the field last year, and can be linked to the same person. Allegedly.

bluejays · 08-30-2018, 06:37 AM

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Though Atkins and Shapiro are, and have always been about as phony as a $3 bill and much of the blame for the Donaldson situation falls right at their feet for not selling high and then yes, Imo pushing JD to play when he wasn't ready. Now its gone to ####, but google tells me Estrada and JD's demises started off the field last year, and can be linked to the same person. Allegedly.

Yeah, seen that awhile back. I don't blame them as she's a catch, imo, but I don't understand how, even if true, creates complications. Pushing JD was bad as we all seen his lack of strength at seasons start. Maximizing trade value is Sports 101, and so far A&S haven't showed quite the baseball acumen they make themselves out to be. Hopefully it's not because of ownership politics.

flames_fan_down_under · 08-30-2018, 11:20 AM

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Yeah in the off season it was Donaldson to STL for Weaver or Flaherty or both!

Ugh don't say that.

The inability of Shapiro and Atkins to realistically assess and forecast whether their own team was within a position to compete for a playoff position this season has been disastrous.

cross16 · 08-30-2018, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by GirlySports

Yeah in the off season it was Donaldson to STL for Weaver or Flaherty or both!

Is this based on anything concrete?

Because I remember the Cards GM specifically saying he was not going to give up his top prospects for a player with 1 year left of control.

I get people don't like Shapiro and Atkins but so far they've done pretty well on trades so harping on them so much for a situation that appears to me to be bad luck more than anything else is pretty unfair, but I get it's just the state of most Blue Jay fans right now.

flames_fan_down_under · 08-30-2018, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by cross16

Is this based on anything concrete?

Because I remember the Cards GM specifically saying he was not going to give up his top prospects for a player with 1 year left of control.

I get people don't like Shapiro and Atkins but so far they've done pretty well on trades so harping on them so much for a situation that appears to me to be bad luck more than anything else is pretty unfair, but I get it's just the state of most Blue Jay fans right now.

I am OK with a lot of the moves Shapiro and Atkins have made, and I still think they are pointing this team in the right direction.

I just think they misjudged this teams competitive window and lost out on recouping some valuable assets by holding on too long. However upon reflection this is likely true with a lot of teams in pro sports, it's very hard to accurately assess a players peak value and correlate that with a teams competitive window and then knowing when to deal said player to get max value. Perhaps they felt it would have been a PR nightmare to deal Donaldson after losing Encarnacion a year prior.

They certainly could not have foreseen Osuna getting into legal trouble and Donaldson's calfs becoming such a nagging issue. I do have a lot of suspicion about how this organization treats its injured players.