The Walking Dead TV show only thread- Part II ***See spoiler rules in first post***

[killer_carlson]

I tried watching that episode twice last night. Both times I fell asleep and just ended up deleting it from the PVR.

No idea what happened

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by habernac

Every time they try to do some story or character development, the complaints of "it's too slow" come out. Maggie crushing walkers and a Gremlin with a farm tractor weren't enough? How about Carl's drive thru walker? Come on...

Ninja Jesus was all I needed.

[undercoverbrother]

I have zero interest in the Carl & Enid story line.

[OutOfTheCube]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

I have zero interest in the Carl & Enid story line.

Carl is just the most ridiculous character. The long luscious hair, the goofy eye/head bandage, the fake angsty attitude/coolness, the hat, all played by a horrible actor.

[puffnstuff]

The hat bugs me too.

[ClubFlames]

Hopefully Carl dies next episode trying to get revenge on Negan and is put in the zombie pit with his hat on.

[kirant]

Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

Yeah the pace of this season could best be described as 'glacial' -- it's starting to lose me a bit.

Steven Ogg is awesome though -- I'm more interested in his character than Negan.

I love Ogg. He is capable of playing the sociopath character pretty well and seems to mix Negan and Trevor in this character.

I think he'll be a one note character and but I agree...I'd love to learn more about him.

[Fuzz]

With them showing us Simon, it means there are potentially other Negan like bosses around. This kinda kills the theory that taking out Negan would end it. Our plucky survivors are gonna have to go full nuke if they want this to end.

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

With them showing us Simon, it means there are potentially other Negan like bosses around. This kinda kills the theory that taking out Negan would end it. Our plucky survivors are gonna have to go full nuke if they want this to end.

Negan did say Simon was his right hand man, so I don't know how much further it extends from there.

From what we've seen, most of his goons are exactly that: goons. They are in it to avoid suffering and reap the rewards. I think that would all collapse if Negan, and maybe Simon, were gone.

They are all just a pack of broken down thugs acting out of fear, imo.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Didn't he say the same thing about Dwight? I have a suspicion that if you ask Negan, whoever happens to be helping him out at that moment is his "right hand man".

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Didn't he say the same thing about Dwight? I have a suspicion that if you ask Negan, whoever happens to be helping him out at that moment is his "right hand man".

I don't recall, but maybe. Negan seems the kind of charismatic guy that would make you feel like you're more important than you are.

Not sure if that inspires loyalty, or more the image of the master giving a beaten dog a bone.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

I think the second one, mostly. The whole thing with the way the Saviors have been treated is that they're more or less interchangeable peons. They're all Negan. Even when a bunch of them get killed, Negan isn't angry that they're dead, so much as that he lost resources that could earn for him. He takes it as a challenge to his personal authority, and he "can't have that".

[greyshep]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

I tried watching that episode twice last night. Both times I fell asleep and just ended up deleting it from the PVR.

No idea what happened

That one definitely goes in the "forgettable filler" file. Had the same issue with trying to stay awake thru it, but managed to get it done. Still better than Fear the Walking Dead though, lol.

[sureLoss]

Maybe I need to rewatch the Kingdom episode again, but why are the Saviors so relatively nice to Eziekiel's kingdom?

Compared to Alexandria and Hilltop, they have it downright easy by the Saviors not taking a lot of there stuff. Not to mention the Saviors allow them to keep firearms as evidenced by when Morgan pulled out his gun when that fight broke out when they were trying to hand over the butchered pigs.

And they allowed the assault on one of their men go by.

[JiriHrdina]

^A couple possible reasons
- They view them as being strong producers (e.g. delivering a truckload of pig meat)
- They see them as perhaps being dangerous when push comes to shove
- The Kingdom has never shown even a hint of rebelling
- It depends on how the specific group is that the Kingdom is dealing with (e.g. Simon implied that the group the Hilltop had been dealing with had been a little soft)

I suspect it is a combination of them being strong producers, and "taking the relationship seriously - as Ezekiel has said".

[blankall]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

^A couple possible reasons
- They view them as being strong producers (e.g. delivering a truckload of pig meat)
- They see them as perhaps being dangerous when push comes to shove
- The Kingdom has never shown even a hint of rebelling
- It depends on how the specific group is that the Kingdom is dealing with (e.g. Simon implied that the group the Hilltop had been dealing with had been a little soft)

I suspect it is a combination of them being strong producers, and "taking the relationship seriously - as Ezekiel has said".

Good analysis. I'd say the Kingdom has found that sweet spot between not being total pushovers like the Hilltop and not picking a physical confrontation like Alexandria. I'm assuming Rick's treatment was relatively extreme. His people did kill dozens of Saviours.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

^A couple possible reasons
- They view them as being strong producers (e.g. delivering a truckload of pig meat)
- They see them as perhaps being dangerous when push comes to shove
- The Kingdom has never shown even a hint of rebelling
- It depends on how the specific group is that the Kingdom is dealing with (e.g. Simon implied that the group the Hilltop had been dealing with had been a little soft)

I suspect it is a combination of them being strong producers, and "taking the relationship seriously - as Ezekiel has said".

Also, they have a ####ing tiger. One cannot overlook how a tiger can make you think twice about messing with another group.*




*yeah yeah, I know, they have so many guns and guys that 1 tiger doesn't matter. I get it.

[Da_Chief]

Re: Carl - it's like creating a character in a video game; you think, leme add a hat, lets give it long hair, oh who about an eye patch, give it a gun too..in the end you look at it and say "what the f is that?" and you delete it. too bad Carl cannot deleted.

[photon]

Yeah it's almost like the source material was a comic book or something

*ducks*

[V]

Maybe it's just me, but I really thought that this episode set up the fact that Simon really wants to be Negan. I see a potential coup in the mix.