True Detective Thread

[JeanLucPicard]

Originally Posted by fotze

Even the rebelling teenage daughter is written better than that character always is written typically. She is very sharp witted in her own right.

The casting is good too, especially the smaller parts. Other than Coyle, no one looks like a CSI supermodel. The pharmacy robber was just an ugly dude that can act. How do you get an actor that looks like that? No one who looks like that goes into acting. Do they?

Reggie Ledoux. Was totally expecting a charismatic Hollywood cast Jared Leto type model in tough guy makeup. But no, its an ugly scarred guy who looks like a guy who does meth and lives that type of life.

Steve Buscemi is kinda weird lookin...More than most people even.

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by fotze

Even the rebelling teenage daughter is written better than that character always is written typically. She is very sharp witted in her own right.

The casting is good too, especially the smaller parts. Other than Coyle, no one looks like a CSI supermodel. The pharmacy robber was just an ugly dude that can act. How do you get an actor that looks like that? No one who looks like that goes into acting. Do they?

Reggie Ledoux. Was totally expecting a charismatic Hollywood cast Jared Leto type model in tough guy makeup. But no, its an ugly scarred guy who looks like a guy who does meth and lives that type of life.

Reggie Ledoux's friend Dewall just got killed in Banshee a couple of episodes back. He was an extreme Amish religious nut.

One of the girls at the whore house trailer is in a fairly big role in Banshee also.

Isn't Marty's second oldest daughter the crazy killer kid in Walking Dead?

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by handgroen

So we haven't talked about the satanic aspect of the plot very much yet.
when cohle describes the universe as a flat circle with us reincarnating into our same lives, he is implying that there is no free will, which is the main tenant of satanism.
"let do what thou wilt be the whole of the law."
basically they're saying if god is all powerful he will stop me from doing things that are against his will, and because of this mankind is justified in committing any deed.

cohle describes us sentient beings as horse carts moving around and around the surface of the flat circle. i kind of think this is the meaning behind the spiral symbol that we keep seeing.
The fact that cohle's comments so closely resemble the ideology of the cult make me think that he's dirty. Also the show is unbelievable and i can't wait.

1. Hrrrm, I think you've got that backwards. Everything I've ever read about Satanism is that it's ALL ABOUT free will. It's about being your own god. To clarify, Satanists don`t actually believe in Satan (or God) but they believe in the power of the individual, and hold up Lucifer, in mythos, as being the first individual. Even your quote to me means, 'what you do, is the only law you need to follow'. Basically the law of the individual supercedes the laws of men (community) and god (religion). There are softer Satanists who simply say, one can't fulfill the world, before one fulfills ones ego (or ones own needs), which while selfish, does make some sense.

As for the second bolded part, I feel thats a bit too easy. It definitely could be true, but to me, it just feels like he's been so close to the case for so long, he's become obsessed with it and is taking on characteristics of it. But I don't think he is actually involved on the criminal side. And if he is, he for sure didn't start off the case like that.

As for that flat circle, it's a scary thought, one that I've actually had many times myself, that we are doomed to live the same lives, repeat the same mistakes, but I'm not really sure how it falls into Satanism. It's almost (I know not exactly) more Nihilistic isn't it? Or Deterministic, as in free will v determinism, as you mentioned. But Determinism is not Satanism.

As for the show, yeah it's excellent. The acting is top notch, the visuals are great, and there's twists and turns, and I think the big ones are still yet to come of course.

[handgroen]

Originally Posted by Daradon

1. Hrrrm, I think you've got that backwards. Everything I've ever read about Satanism is that it's ALL ABOUT free will. It's about being your own god. To clarify, Satanists don`t actually believe in Satan (or God) but they believe in the power of the individual, and hold up Lucifer, in mythos, as being the first individual. Even your quote to me means, 'what you do, is the only law you need to follow'. Basically the law of the individual supercedes the laws of men (community) and god (religion). There are softer Satanists who simply say, one can't fulfill the world, before one fulfills ones ego (or ones own needs), which while selfish, does make some sense.

As for the second bolded part, I feel thats a bit too easy. It definitely could be true, but to me, it just feels like he's been so close to the case for so long, he's become obsessed with it and is taking on characteristics of it. But I don't think he is actually involved on the criminal side. And if he is, he for sure didn't start off the case like that.

As for that flat circle, it's a scary thought, one that I've actually had many times myself, that we are doomed to live the same lives, repeat the same mistakes, but I'm not really sure how it falls into Satanism. It's almost (I know not exactly) more Nihilistic isn't it? Or Deterministic, as in free will v determinism, as you mentioned. But Determinism is not Satanism.

As for the show, yeah it's excellent. The acting is top notch, the visuals are great, and there's twists and turns, and I think the big ones are still yet to come of course.

good post, i like the feedback, what you're describing is atheism IMO. If you don't believe in god or satan why celebrate the idea of lucifer with ritual or religion? I always just kind of thought that by being a staunch determinist you make your actions god's problem, and are therefore not responsible for your actions. If you're inclined to think you're defying god there is a lot of satisfying hubris there, or if you're sins are part of god's plan then you feel less guilt.
of course i could be misinformed, it's not as if i'm studied on the matter.

as far as cohle being dirty, if he is i kind of hope that it's not the final revelation of the series. i would like to see some action between the characters in present time to close the show.

[YYC in LAX]

Curious what everyone's interpretation is of the last schene where Cohle is shown in that room with the plethora of satanic decorations or whatever you want to call them...

Did he just discover that or were we just basically told he is indeed involved with the murders? I don't think he's actually involved but rather obsessed with the case and he knows or thinks Ledeux was part of something bigger.

If you don't think he's actually involved (like me), how do you explain him amongst all those things? Other than he just discovered them or something.

Or is he like bipolar and doesn't know he's actually involved? Curious that he can just show up at the crimes scenes.

####. Good show. So many thoughts.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by YYC in LAX

Curious what everyone's interpretation is of the last schene where Cohle is shown in that room with the plethora of satanic decorations or whatever you want to call them...

Did he just discover that or were we just basically told he is indeed involved with the murders? I don't think he's actually involved but rather obsessed with the case and he knows or thinks Ledeux was part of something bigger.

If you don't think he's actually involved (like me), how do you explain him amongst all those things? Other than he just discovered them or something.

Or is he like bipolar and doesn't know he's actually involved? Curious that he can just show up at the crimes scenes.

####. Good show. So many thoughts.

Could be just me but I really do not think he is involved with the killings outside of trying to nail the murderers. As a deep cover cop for so many years I think he is deep under yet again trying to get them from the inside. And Hart is still his partner, just from afar. They did cover up what was their own murder when Hart shot Ledoux in the face. So trying to keep IA off of them and trying to infiltrate a corrupt system at the same time would be pressing.

[nfotiu]

Originally Posted by YYC in LAX

Curious what everyone's interpretation is of the last schene where Cohle is shown in that room with the plethora of satanic decorations or whatever you want to call them...

Did he just discover that or were we just basically told he is indeed involved with the murders? I don't think he's actually involved but rather obsessed with the case and he knows or thinks Ledeux was part of something bigger.

If you don't think he's actually involved (like me), how do you explain him amongst all those things? Other than he just discovered them or something.

Or is he like bipolar and doesn't know he's actually involved? Curious that he can just show up at the crimes scenes.

####. Good show. So many thoughts.

I sure hope it isn't the bi-polar angle. It felt lame in season 6 of Dexter, and would feel even lamer for this show.

[Daradon]

Well bi-polar isn't the same as split personality or Fight Club syndrome whatever that was. Bi-polar people are fully aware of what they are doing.

But yeah, I hope it isn't an angle like that. It was cool in Fight Club, but been far too overused since then.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by YYC in LAX

Curious what everyone's interpretation is of the last schene where Cohle is shown in that room with the plethora of satanic decorations or whatever you want to call them...

If you don't think he's actually involved (like me), how do you explain him amongst all those things? Other than he just discovered them or something.

That was the abandoned school that Ledoux' ex girlfriend (who died similar to Lange) went to. It was also owned by Reverend Tuttle, who we just found out died under suspicious medicine mix up.

Cohle and Hart were already there in 1995 and were about to investigate it before conveniently finding out that Ledoux shared a cell with Lange's boyfriend and headed back to question him.

They also met the lawnmower man at the school:

Spoiler!

Imagine him with some green ear protectors on

Could make some sense that Cohle would go back in 2002 if he was trying to re-investigate as it was the last thing they did in the case before jumping on the Ledoux trail.

[trackercowe]

I can't wait to see what happens in the 8 years Cohle disappears. Like others have said he probably goes after the people he thinks are responsible, yet obviously he spirals out of control at some point, which is why he is a complete mess. Unless I suppose that could all be an act, as he could be "playing" the investigators to try and find out what they know, like Hart said. Cohle is the master of the interview after all, so he's probably learned more about the investigators then they have about him. They have been showing him pictures of new crime scenes, and yet obviously he's known about them since they actually occurred. I doubt he's even surprised that they're looking into him as a suspect in the case. Plus Cohle is smart enough to realize the investigators would be taking pictures of the crowds at the crime scenes (some thing he asked for in an earlier episode), so he likely wanted to be noticed, maybe he's trying to make himself into the suspect to draw out the real killer(s)?

I honestly have no idea in which direction they're going, maybe the task force is in on it, but then why did they let Cohle and Hart have so much free rein in their investigation? Sure they would have been happy to just shut it down when Ledoux was killed, but what if Cohle and Hart did manage to find out who were actually behind the murders? Maybe that means Hart is with them somehow, but to my knowledge they haven't left us any clues to suspect that he is. So for those guessing he must be involved, that's all purely guess work. Maybe those children were "planted" as well, as it's rather strange that if Ledoux isn't the killer that he'd randomly have a couple kids stored away in the back.

Maybe the show ends with them not finding the killer? Cohle even said this is a world where nothing is solved, something that maybe will apply to this case. That might anger the audience though, but it's a better direction then making Cohle or Hart the killer.

I absolutely love the mood of the show, as it always manages to stay true to itself. It also is a very nuanced show, one which I expect I'll go back to frequently to pick up on the things I've missed out on watching it from week to week.

[Ark2]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

That was the abandoned school that Ledoux' ex girlfriend (who died similar to Lange) went to. It was also owned by Reverend Tuttle, who we just found out died under suspicious medicine mix up.

Cohle and Hart were already there in 1995 and were about to investigate it before conveniently finding out that Ledoux shared a cell with Lange's boyfriend and headed back to question him.

They also met the lawnmower man at the school:

Spoiler!

Imagine him with some green ear protectors on

Could make some sense that Cohle would go back in 2002 if he was trying to re-investigate as it was the last thing they did in the case before jumping on the Ledoux trail.

What was the story behind that sketch again?

[trackercowe]

Originally Posted by Hesla

Wow. On the edge of my seat.

What do you think this means ?

Spoiler!

To go with this, will Hart's daughters be tied into the main story? It's been established for a while now that the older daughter is pretty messed up. First she drew those pictures, then she set the dolls like this, and now she's grown up to become someone who is caught having sex with two men in a car. Somewhere something went wrong, and even Hart said his one fault was not paying attention to the important things, so who knows what happened to them? I always found the father-in-law to be strange, maybe he molested them, or is involved in this all somehow?

I could be jumping the gun on this theory, but they did underline Hart's lack of attention in this episode.

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by trackercowe

To go with this, will Hart's daughters be tied into the main story? It's been established for a while now that the older daughter is pretty messed up. First she drew those pictures, then she set the dolls like this, and now she's grown up to become someone who is caught having sex with two men in a car. Somewhere something went wrong, and even Hart said his one fault was not paying attention to the important things, so who knows what happened to them? I always found the father-in-law to be strange, maybe he molested them, or is involved in this all somehow?

I could be jumping the gun on this theory, but they did underline Hart's lack of attention in this episode.

I thought that they explained this. She's a member of the varsity slut team.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Ark2

What was the story behind that sketch again?

Early investigation led the detectives to an old missing child report that was never followed through. They drove down to the station to investigate. The sheriff at the time of the incident had concluded that the father had taken the child to California while the mother, who had priors including solicitation, never made any follow up complaints so it was just swept under the rug as the young girl was better off with her dad. At least that's what the county police or whatever said.

At the same time they were there to look into that story, Cohle questioned the new sheriff about a girl who had been chased through the woods recently but again it was never followed through with. The reason this time was because the girl said she was chased by a spaghetti monster and gave the sketch artist the description in the sketch.

On another note, the sheriff at the time of these incidents was named Childress. The prisoner who committed suicide in his jail cell happened to be escorted to the phone shortly beforehand by guards named Maloney and Childress.

So theories are the man who mowed the school lawn, who works for Light the Way ran by Reverend Tuttle, was the Spaghetti Monster who chased the girl. And that possibly the police force was involved, especially if the sheriff and guard end up being the same person or related.

[nfotiu]

Another outstanding episode. So many fantastic scenes and great cliff hanger ending. If they released this show like Netflix does, no way would I be able to go asleep without watching the entire season.

[JeanLucPicard]

Spoiler!

Well, all caught up to 2012. Last two episode will probably be about Rust telling Marty about everything he found out from 2002-2012, and they'll both will be compelled to conclude this "case" on their own.

And I think the conclusion of this show will be more revealing about who Marty and (to a larger extent) Rust are as individuals now, than about the murder mysteries.

[darockwilder]

Looks like Marty got a decent ROI from his bunny farm investment....

He's a special brand of dirty.

[VANFLAMESFAN]

Rust not getting the tail light fixed after ten years is awesome.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Well the rack wasn't nearly as epic as episode three, but the two booties on display were pure magic

[nik-]

The Tuttle guy being the ringleader would have been cliched. It basically would have the plot of the Dragnet movie with better acring. Good choice that they nixed it a bit by stating that he had died of an overdose.