Tkachuk's next contract

[CalgaryFan1988]

How many RFA vs UFA years did Marchands deal eat up? (I honestly don't know)

If it isn't similar, it can't be compared.

[shadowlord]

This will be an unpopular opinion, but I'd like to see him with a good 20-30 games away from Backlund's line before we back up the Brinks truck. We've seen the Backlund boost many times before, and hopefully Tkachuk is the exception.

If a Tkachuk-Bennett line could make some noise, I'd be sold and that could really give us some impressive F depth.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by shadowlord

This will be an unpopular opinion, but I'd like to see him with a good 20-30 games away from Backlund's line before we back up the Brinks truck. We've seen the Backlund boost many times before, and hopefully Tkachuk is the exception.

If a Tkachuk-Bennett line could make some noise, I'd be sold and that could really give us some impressive F depth.

I'd love to see this too - but that RW spot would be important. You can't slap Brouwer there and expect things to go well.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by shadowlord

We've seen the Backlund boost many times before, and hopefully Tkachuk is the exception.

Have we? I mean it looks like Backlund stabilizes his line, which should be expected of a top 6 center, but it's not like players around him explode offensively.

Frolik's 44 points is exactly the same he got in Florida and Winnipeg before. Ferland's career year came with playing with Gaudreau and Monahan, obviously. Bouma had one exceptional year but half his points were scored away from Backlund. Colborne's best season was with Stajan. Who were you thinking?

Also, as the number 2 center, just being on his line means players are getting top 6 time by default, sometimes when they shouldn't have. Tkachuk is a top 6 player.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

How many RFA vs UFA years did Marchands deal eat up? (I honestly don't know)

If it isn't similar, it can't be compared.

Marchand was heading to UFA, so all 8.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by yourbestfriend

Why the hell would either side be thinking of a bridge contract? No incentive for either side.
I think Tkachuk is just under Dougie in terms of value and importance to the team, something under $5.75M long term seems about right.
It's hard to argue over $6M when Mackinnon signed $6.3@7years and Scheifele at $6.1@8years.
Even if you take into account that the cap is projected to increase a bit, I can't see Tkachuk's aav being above $6M.

Take Hamilton; 6 year for 34.5 M

Sign him to a 2 year bridge for 3m / yr. Deal Trouba got after hold out.

That leaves 28.5 for the last 4 years that would be negotiated as a RFA last off season.

7.15 that would get the deal done Making Hamilton the 9th highest paid D-man in the league... behind Subban, Burns, Hedman, Weber, Byfuglien, Ekblad, Suter, Letang.

Flames could easily justify keeping him to less than the 6.75 Gio level for 4 to 6 years.

That is why a lot of teams like to do a bridge rather than overpay in advance.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Take Hamilton; 6 year for 34.5 M

Sign him to a 2 year bridge for 3m / yr. Deal Trouba got after hold out.

Easier said than done. Trouba literally sat out because he refused to sign a contract.

Hamilton was offersheet eligible. Knew Boston had already made an offer allegedly better then Calgary's. Why a guarantee that he would sitout and sign? And even then your plan is to force him to sitout, request a trade, and anger him and then hope next negotiations go well?

And still, yes, maybe you sign Hamilton for less total money - ignoring that he just lead the league in defenseman scoring and probably could have got a contract close to the one that would give him the same pay. But now instead of a 5.75M cap hit, he has a 6.75M if he signs at Gio's cap

[Monahan For Mayor]

Originally Posted by shadowlord

This will be an unpopular opinion, but I'd like to see him with a good 20-30 games away from Backlund's line before we back up the Brinks truck. We've seen the Backlund boost many times before, and hopefully Tkachuk is the exception.

If a Tkachuk-Bennett line could make some noise, I'd be sold and that could really give us some impressive F depth.

Tkachuk drives the offensive play on that line in my opinion.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Easier said than done. Trouba literally sat out because he refused to sign a contract.

Hamilton was offersheet eligible. Knew Boston had already made an offer allegedly better then Calgary's. Why a guarantee that he would sitout and sign? And even then your plan is to force him to sitout, request a trade, and anger him and then hope next negotiations go well?

And still, yes, maybe you sign Hamilton for less total money - ignoring that he just lead the league in defenseman scoring and probably could have got a contract close to the one that would give him the same pay. But now instead of a 5.75M cap hit, he has a 6.75M if he signs at Gio's cap

You are picking stats from Hamilton's agent perspective.

He had 17 goals , tied with 2 other d-men
There were 14 d-men that had 14 or more goals.

He was tied for 9th in non-pp goals with 4 other guys including Kevin Connauton of Arizona with 11.

Gio had 12 Non-pp goals.

He was tied for 22nd in d-man pts. and 26th in defenseman PPG (more than 40 games played)


Those are not the offensive stats that get you paid in the top 10 d-man in the league especially when you don't play shut-down well or very physical. Gio is the 10th highest paid d-man by cap this last season.

Make Hamilton happy by assembling a team that gets into the playoffs.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Well the only 'stat' that really mattered was the fact that the Bruins were willing to pay more for him and traded him because they were afraid of the offersheet risk. Not sure, how successful you would be if you brought him over and told him "sign this 6M or sit out" when there was a 35M contract on the table that he didn't sign.

[Textcritic]

Oh look, ricardodw made a thread about ....

...


... Dougie Hamilton.

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by getbak

That's in arbitration.

In open negotiations, you can compare yourself to anyone you want.

Of course... I should have realized that.

[wired]

Tkachuk is unlike any other player on the team. He has more heart in his toenail than JG does.
No one on the team does what he does, like he does.
30 other teams would give him what he asks for his next contract....
That being said.....same contract as JG and Monahan. Same length as well.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by wired

Tkachuk is unlike any other player on the team. He has more heart in his toenail than JG does.
No one on the team does what he does, like he does.
30 other teams would give him what he asks for his next contract....
That being said.....same contract as JG and Monahan. Same length as well.

The thing here is that we can—and I think we all do—agree on how absolutely critical Tkachuk is to the Flames, and how valuable a player he is overall. But the Flames are really fortunate in that with how NHl contracts and salaries are negotiated he has not registered the kind of numbers (yet) to worry terribly about how much he will be paid. I hand him $6.0 m on a long-term deal in a heart beat, and I think that is also an easily achievable number based on his league-wide comparables.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by wired

Tkachuk is unlike any other player on the team. He has more heart in his toenail than JG does.
No one on the team does what he does, like he does.
30 other teams would give him what he asks for his next contract....
That being said.....same contract as JG and Monahan. Same length as well.

What has Gaudreau done to deserve backhanded comments like this from fans? That's just ridiculous.

[MoneyGuy]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

What has Gaudreau done to deserve backhanded comments like this from fans? That's just ridiculous.

Plus, how do we know how much heart does JG have in HIS toenail?

[mivdo]

Gaudreau has fire imo. Just because he doesn't have the size get into scrums and muck it up does not mean he has no heart. You can see it in his face when he doesn't score when the game is on the line. He seems absolutely disgusted with himself.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by MoneyGuy

Plus, how do we know how much heart does JG have in HIS toenail?

I would bet none, but isn't the right thing to do here to raise questions about the health risks of hearts in toenails?

[getbak]

Originally Posted by mivdo

Gaudreau has fire imo. Just because he doesn't have the size get into scrums and muck it up does not mean he has no heart. You can see it in his face when he doesn't score when the game is on the line. He seems absolutely disgusted with himself.

[bubbsy]

Gaudrea really appears to hate losing more than any other player on the team. He is a highly one dimensional player but hes too five in that dimension, and that one dimension (offensive creativity) is the hardest skill to get in the entire league.

We are a spoiled fanbase from Iggy's primetime years, but not every superstar impacts the game in the same way.

Just to note... Iggy and Gaudreau have gotten their teams past the first round tge same number of times. Amazing, sad all at the same time.