PGT: 2021 Draft

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by timbit

3-5 years from now will be the appropriate time to grade the Flames current draft.

Journalists certainly shouldn’t sway anyone with their opinions and/or draft grades.

It may generate clicks....however,....

NONE of them are qualified to evaluate and project 18 year old amateurs.

Yeah for sure a team could literally look at a consensus board and take the highest consensus player and "kill it!" for the morning after grading exercise.

So instead you get two outcomes.

Teams that had different lists that are astute and teams that have different lists that are a mess.

And time has to sort that out.

[aiy_yah]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

How does 4 x $5M for Keith Yandle grab you?

No thank you. Haven't watched him play but analysis I have read had him as a sheltered 3rd pair on the Panthers last season. He's replacement level at this point. If they had no other choice, I wouldn't sign him for more than 2 years and its have to be in the $1.5 mil range

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[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

He probably didn't get picked because his name is so dull.

Should legally change his name to Peter Whatnow

[Bingo]

Not going to pretend to know if picks are good or bad.

I liked the Coronato pick for sure, and I certainly have read favourable things pre draft on Stromgren and Whynot.

I like that one of the guys I like came in the Lucic trade, and I like that they got him and moved down and added another name to the Lucic trade!

Like what I'm reading yesterday and today on Cole Jordan.

I think Jack Beck is super interesting.

I like that they drafted 8 and not say 6.

I'm not going to assume the off season is over and the Flames are a failure because Treliving didn't make any moves at the draft.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

How does 4 x $5M for Keith Yandle grab you?

It grabs me as a very bad idea. Very bad idea. Dennis Wideman level bad.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Not going to pretend to know if picks are good or bad.

I liked the Coronato pick for sure, and I certainly have read favourable things pre draft on Stromgren and Whynot.

I like that one of the guys I like came in the Lucic trade, and I like that they got him and moved down and added another name to the Lucic trade!

Like what I'm reading yesterday and today on Cole Jordan.

I think Jack Beck is super interesting.

I like that they drafted 8 and not say 6.

I'm not going to assume the off season is over and the Flames are a failure because Treliving didn't make any moves at the draft.

I'm with you Bingo. I liked the mix of picks they made. We knew this was going to be a wacky draft and it turned out to be just that. What I liked was the scouts went in and picked guys off the radar, but who show really good foundational skills and the propensity to improve. With all but one pick I was convinced they made a good pick after doing as much of a deep dive as you can with the limited resources we have access to. All of these guys (exception of one) are good skaters, have good hands, and think the game well. Every single comment and article about these guys points to that. Most importantly, they have these skills AND NHL size. This was a good draft for the Flames, even if the Pronmans of the world want to discount it. The Flames are a much better organization this morning after the draft they just had.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by timbit

3-5 years from now will be the appropriate time to grade the Flames current draft.

Journalists certainly shouldn’t sway anyone with their opinions and/or draft grades.

It may generate clicks....however,....

NONE of them are qualified to evaluate and project 18 year old amateurs.

Yup, was more trying to say I hope there's a lot more to come this offseason. The comment had little to do with the draft .

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

It grabs me as a very bad idea. Very bad idea. Dennis Wideman level bad.

I also don't like it, but a $4m cap hit today is more like a $2.5-3.0m cap hit a decade ago when Wideman signed that deal. Mind you, I also think Wideman was a better player in 2012 than Yandle is today.

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[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I give the draft itself a C, but F for not grabbing buch, reinhart, or bean while available for evidently fairly cheap.

the only good, and reasonably priced, trade possibility that we missed out on was Buch and i suspect that Treliving and company probably felt that he would be a one-year rental and difficult/unlikely to re-sign

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

the only good, and reasonably priced, trade possibility that we missed out on was Buch and i suspect that Treliving and company probably felt that he would be a one-year rental and difficult/unlikely to re-sign

Yeah, for Bean, Calgary’s second was one later than what was paid, plus he’s a young LHD (and Calgary already has three young LHD counting Kylington).

[Enoch Root]

Yes, evaluating a draft has to be done after 5 years when you see how the players developed. The only thing you can assume for now is that development works out as expected, overall, with a reasonable and average distribution among teams (Oilers excluded obviously).

But there are other aspects of a draft that can be evaluated, IMO.

1) quantity - Flames took more than their standard allotment, so: good
2) quality - drafting 12th, 45th, etc puts them slightly better than average, so: good
3) upside (expected) - mixed bag here, probably average overall, though a couple, like Beck and Jordan are very intriguing so: average to good
4) need - they got a RW sniper, and they focused on what the teams needs most: size, speed and tough-to-play-against-ness, so: very good
5) distribution - they drafted an entire lineup basically, so: good

So ignoring what we can't know, and basing it on what we do know, I think you have to consider the Flames' draft to be good at a minimum. Certainly above average, and probably fairly well above average.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

How does 4 x $5M for Keith Yandle grab you?

$5M for Yandle? Are you fricking serious?

How about $1M for Yandle?

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

the only good, and reasonably priced, trade possibility that we missed out on was Buch and i suspect that Treliving and company probably felt that he would be a one-year rental and difficult/unlikely to re-sign

If they Flames truly are pushing to sign Coleman, then I suspect this was a big part of the decision to not get involved in tbe Buchnevich trade.

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[Flame On]

I like the picks, there's some skill, and size in there, what's not to love about that.
If they're not going to blow it up and rebuild, then don't trade away your picks and just start amassing them and keep your cap deals low, sign free agents and pepper in young players.

But you gotta stick to that, it'll be more of a failure if they then trade their 1st next year for some non-elite player, for example.

[dammage79]

Good draft. Some long shots, addressed a dire need in a RhS scoring fw. I like the Coronoto pick.

I'm a little surprised they went with Stormgren over Raty in round 2 but he looks like he can develop into a mule type player.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

$5M for Yandle? Are you fricking serious?

How about $1M for Yandle?

Just spitballing looking at vet D available. I’d prefer Suter, but I don’t think he wants to play in Canada.

[oldschoolcalgary]

Well once Sillinger was gone, you pretty much knew it was going to be between Coronato and Lucius... If Chicago still owned the Columbus pick, there's a chance they would have pick Coronato, as he is a Chicago kid and these three players were all similarly ranked.

Hard to parse between Lucius and Coronato...the former did have some injuries which maybe prevented him for going a little higher. Coronato has a ton of upside and I like how his motor is often cited - never hurts to be beloved by team mates either.

Stromgren was a bit more of a surprise...obviously the kid seems to have a lot of tools and wasn't a reach...there were other guys that I had heard more about like Stankoven and Chibrikov that were available at that spot...Hoping that Hakan Loob pushed for this pick, but as with anything, we'll see.

outside of that, hard to know...I didn't look too deep into this year's draft prospects

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Just spitballing looking at vet D available. I’d prefer Suter, but I don’t think he wants to play in Canada.

I don't think there is any chance that Suter comes here unfortunately, as he would perfectly replace Gio.

But Yandle is definitely not the answer. Would much rather have Barrie. And I do NOT like Barrie

[dammage79]

I'm guessing the Gio replacement comes via trade. Unless they're committed to Kylington and Mackie platooning the 3rd LD slot.

Maybe a sneaky signing would be Vatanen. Or Edler.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

Well once Sillinger was gone, you pretty much knew it was going to be between Coronato and Lucius... If Chicago still owned the Columbus pick, there's a chance they would have pick Coronato, as he is a Chicago kid and these three players were all similarly ranked.

Hard to parse between Lucius and Coronato...the former did have some injuries which maybe prevented him for going a little higher. Coronato has a ton of upside and I like how his motor is often cited - never hurts to be beloved by team mates either.

Stromgren was a bit more of a surprise...obviously the kid seems to have a lot of tools and wasn't a reach...there were other guys that I had heard more about like Stankoven and Chibrikov that were available at that spot...Hoping that Hakan Loob pushed for this pick, but as with anything, we'll see.

outside of that, hard to know...I didn't look too deep into this year's draft prospects

The Flames liked him so much they tried to move up to get him but couldnt make the deal. He fell to them anyway.