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NHL Rule Section 10 84.2
I was looking at the OOT thread for 2/18 the other day, and late in the thread, there was a discussion about the net being ajar and pulling one's goalie.
Well, I thought about it, and the risk is VERY high, if for whatever reason, the net gets settled back on the peg. Because with a pulled goalie, NHL Rules, section 10 84.2 might apply.
84.2 Overtime – Regular-season – Extra Attacker - A team shall be allowed to pull its goalkeeper in favor of an additional skater in the overtime period. However, should that team lose the game during the time in which the goalkeeper has been removed, it would forfeit the automatic point gained in the tie at the end of regulation play, except if the goalkeeper has been removed at the call of a delayed penalty against the other team.
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Pretty sure it was Burke that pointed it out when the league went to 3 on 3 OT, and the league put that rule in.
They announced 3 on 3, and (I think) Burke immediately mentioned he was pulling his goalie for every OT in favour of 4 on 3. The league immediately implemented the point forfeit rule to make sure that didn't happen.
I would love to see someone try it though. Gain control of the puck, and have the goalie skate to the bench for another attacker. Or send the goalie up the ice if he can play the puck......would be hilarious to see work.
If a team needs a ROW at the end of the season you might see it, is there any other scenario where it would make sense?
The oilers enter the game tied for last place in the standings with Ottawa. The point earned at the end of regulation puts them one point up on the Senators, reducing their odds of winning the draft lottery from 18.5% to 16.5%. Edmonton pulls the goalie and gives up a goal, dropping them back to a tie with Ottawa. Based on ROWs, Ottawa is ranked 30th, while Edmonton finishes 31st.
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I don't really get why this rule exists. Does the NHL think having a 4 to 3 player advantage is so strong that teams would be willing to pull their goalies voluntarily?
I don't really get why this rule exists. Does the NHL think having a 4 to 3 player advantage is so strong that teams would be willing to pull their goalies voluntarily?
Yes. If you're playing a team from the other conference why not pull your goalie if you have possession late in overtime and go 4 on 3 to try to end it before the crapshoot of the shootout? It's still a possibility if near the end of the season a team is looking at a potential tiebreaker where a shootout win isn't good enough for them and they need the ROW.
I would love to see someone try it though. Gain control of the puck, and have the goalie skate to the bench for another attacker. Or send the goalie up the ice if he can play the puck......would be hilarious to see work.
Mike Smith, OT PP QB.
Unfortunately there is a rule preventing the goalie from handling the puck on the other side of center ice - Patrick Roy got called for it a while back when he deked around Gretzky and kept going.
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I don't really get why this rule exists. Does the NHL think having a 4 to 3 player advantage is so strong that teams would be willing to pull their goalies voluntarily?
Flames have lost 8 straight shootouts. If you win the faceoff, gain possession, why not try it if the rule doesn't exist? You start with Monahan, Gaudreau, and Giordano. Then add either Lindholm, Tkachuk, or Brodie. The Flames have the 7th best power play percentage in the league, and also the worst shootout percentage.
What is the downfall if you try it and get scored upon? You still get your point. You may need the ROW more than the point, depending on the standings.
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Yes. If you're playing a team from the other conference why not pull your goalie if you have possession late in overtime and go 4 on 3 to try to end it before the crapshoot of the shootout? It's still a possibility if near the end of the season a team is looking at a potential tiebreaker where a shootout win isn't good enough for them and they need the ROW.
If I was the opposing team I want the other side pulling their goalie. Pretty much an automatic goal once you gain possession, but I do see a 4 on 3 advantage being much stronger in OT because the team with only 3 players would not have PKers on the ice.
I wouldn’t mind eliminating that rule in the AHL or preseason to see what happens. Give teams/coaches the opportunity to strategize and try something different
The oilers enter the game tied for last place in the standings with Ottawa. The point earned at the end of regulation puts them one point up on the Senators, reducing their odds of winning the draft lottery from 18.5% to 16.5%. Edmonton pulls the goalie and gives up a goal, dropping them back to a tie with Ottawa. Based on ROWs, Ottawa is ranked 30th, while Edmonton finishes 31st.
They might as well start shooting on their own goal... But I see your point.
Flames have lost 8 straight shootouts. If you win the faceoff, gain possession, why not try it if the rule doesn't exist? You start with Monahan, Gaudreau, and Giordano. Then add either Lindholm, Tkachuk, or Brodie. The Flames have the 7th best power play percentage in the league, and also the worst shootout percentage.
What is the downfall if you try it and get scored upon? You still get your point. You may need the ROW more than the point, depending on the standings.
The downfall is you don't still get your point, as it states in the rule section of the OP.
If a team pulls their goalie in OT and loses while the goalie is pulled, they get 0 points.
The downfall is you don't still get your point, as it states in the rule section of the OP.
If a team pulls their goalie in OT and loses while the goalie is pulled, they get 0 points.
Fire asked why the rule exists. I gave a reason and scenario why it exists. If the rule doesn’t exist then teams would be more apt to pull the goalie to try for the extra point in OT, and get the ROW, instead of going for the coin flip shootout.
There is no downfall to pulling the goalie if the rule doesn’t exist.
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Pretty sure it was Burke that pointed it out when the league went to 3 on 3 OT, and the league put that rule in.
They announced 3 on 3, and (I think) Burke immediately mentioned he was pulling his goalie for every OT in favour of 4 on 3. The league immediately implemented the point forfeit rule to make sure that didn't happen.
I would love to see someone try it though. Gain control of the puck, and have the goalie skate to the bench for another attacker. Or send the goalie up the ice if he can play the puck......would be hilarious to see work.
Mike Smith, OT PP QB.
It was Bobby Clarke when they introduced 4 on 4. He basically came out and said he'd have the Flyers do that, prompting the league to immediately add this rule.
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Fire asked why the rule exists. I gave a reason and scenario why it exists. If the rule doesn’t exist then teams would be more apt to pull the goalie to try for the extra point in OT, and get the ROW, instead of going for the coin flip shootout.
Why is this a bad thing? Games end sooner, fewer shootouts, it's all to the good. Plus it increases tension. I agree with those above who think this shouldn't be a rule.
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NHL Rule Section 10 84.2
