Building The 2018/19 Flames Roster

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

They will pretty much need to introduce two rookies into the lineup at the same time either this year or next year. This is actually what annoys me a bit about Andersson not being in the lineup full time last season, and Kylington not getting a single look.

We had 4 young d-men we should have been planning on incorporating into the NHL lineup - Andersson, Kylington, Valimaki, Fox.

So for this year you assume it's Andersson, then what happens next year...no way you introduce Kylington & Valimaki at the same time on the Left Side, and what about Fox who if he signs will probably want some type of NHL promise to have at least a shot.

Now you have this log jam of young d-men that need a spot in order to continue their development.

If you had done 2017: Andersson, 2018: Kylington, 2019: Valimaki with Fox being the dark horse depending if and when he signed then you would have had a more natural progression of getting these guys into the lineup.

Also got screwed by the call up rule since they couldn't play Kylington down the stretch once injuries happened because we had used our 4 callups and couldn't dress him in an emergency since Bartkowski was on the roster. Instead now Kylington hasn't gotten into an NHL game the last two seasons, Andersson only has 11 games experience, and you have Valimaki graduating and looking like he's good enough to be in the NHL based on WHL comparables.

No reason to rush any of them. One or two will probably be used as a trade chip at some point.

Valimaki and Andersson are the closest IMO. Don't think Kylington is ready. Fox is still in school. I think one or both of Valimaki/Andersson see significant time up next season.

[Bingo]

The great thing about having four is the likelihood they have a stud in waiting, and perhaps two.

They won't have four. That never happens.

THe key is keeping the right ones and or getting great value in the ones you are less sure on.

Remember the consternation about Ortio vs Broissoit?

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Johnny Rotten

I know you're kidding, but would it really take Brodie, Dube, and Foo to get a Brendan Gallagher?

Montreal is not trading Gallagher, but for perspective what would the Flames want for Tkachuk?

Gallagher's 31 goals were 11 more than 2nd place Byron's 20 and his 54 pts was #1 on his team.

Tkachuk 49 pts was a distant 3rd place on the Flames.

Tkachuk for Gallagher even up? I wouldn't want the Flames to make that trade but Montreal would think long and hard before they pulled the trigger on that trade.

[Johnny Rotten]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Montreal is not trading Gallagher, but for perspective what would the Flames want for Tkachuk?

Gallagher's 31 goals were 11 more than 2nd place Byron's 20 and his 54 pts was #1 on his team.

Tkachuk 49 pts was a distant 3rd place on the Flames.

Tkachuk for Gallagher even up? I wouldn't want the Flames to make that trade but Montreal would think long and hard before they pulled the trigger on that trade.

I don't think Montreal would think too hard: Tkachuk>Gallagher.

[Enoch Root]

I'm sorry, did you just suggest Tkachuk for Gallagher straight up?

And then doubled down with 'Montreal would think long and hard before they pulled the trigger'?

lol

OMFG

[Johnny Rotten]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I'm sorry, did you just suggest Tkachuk for Gallagher straight up?

And then doubled down with 'Montreal would think long and hard before they pulled the trigger'?

lol

OMFG

NO!NO!NO! I'm saying if the Flames offered Tkachuk for Gallagher, Marc Bergevin would take that in a second.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Johnny Rotten

NO!NO!NO! I'm saying if the Flames offered Tkachuk for Gallagher, Marc Bergevin would take that in a second.

I don't think Enoch is addressing you. He is commenting on the laughable post to which you responded.

[Johnny Rotten]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I don't think Enoch is addressing you. He is commenting on the laughable post to which you responded.

I wondered that but sometimes my messages get lost in translation from my brain to my fingers.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Montreal is not trading Gallagher, but for perspective what would the Flames want for Tkachuk?

Gallagher's 31 goals were 11 more than 2nd place Byron's 20 and his 54 pts was #1 on his team.

Tkachuk 49 pts was a distant 3rd place on the Flames.

Tkachuk for Gallagher even up? I wouldn't want the Flames to make that trade but Montreal would think long and hard before they pulled the trigger on that trade.

Reported for trolling.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Johnny Rotten

I know you're kidding, but would it really take Brodie, Dube, and Foo to get a Brendan Gallagher?

If they would move him it would at least take that imo.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Montreal is not trading Gallagher, but for perspective what would the Flames want for Tkachuk?

Gallagher's 31 goals were 11 more than 2nd place Byron's 20 and his 54 pts was #1 on his team.

Tkachuk 49 pts was a distant 3rd place on the Flames.

Tkachuk for Gallagher even up? I wouldn't want the Flames to make that trade but Montreal would think long and hard before they pulled the trigger on that trade.

There isn't a single player on Montreal's roster that I would trade Tkachuk for.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I'm sorry, did you just suggest Tkachuk for Gallagher straight up?

And then doubled down with 'Montreal would think long and hard before they pulled the trigger'?

lol

OMFG

No I didn't. I clearly stated that I would not do that trade from the Flames POV .

I think that Montreal would really value Gallagher much to the same extent that the Flames value Tkachuk.

You are not going to get Montreal to trade Gallagher ( their very best player) for spare parts.

Gallagher is signed for 3 more years @ 3.75.


Tkachuk must be looking at Drasitl numbers 8.5 x 8. Anything less would be an insult. << sarcasm

[4X4]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Their roster produced almost no NHLers and certainly no impact NHLers: Rico Fata, David Roche, Derrick Wasler, Rico Fata, Sergei Varlamov, Darrel Scoville, Benoit Gratto, Chris Clark.

Please tell me this was intentional, because I lol'd.

[NiklasSundblad]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

If Brouwer gets bought out this is what it will look like.


Troy Brouwer is 32 years old at the date of the buyout
Salary remaining: $9,000,000
The buyout ratio is 2/3, which results in a total buyout cost of $6,000,000
There are 2 years remaining on this contract
The buyout will be spread out over 4 years
The buyout cap hit is $1,500,000 over the next two seasons.

Coincidentally Mason Raymond's 1M cap hit ended this season.

1.5m for four seasons, as you pointed out one line above.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Montreal is not trading Gallagher, but for perspective what would the Flames want for Tkachuk?

Gallagher's 31 goals were 11 more than 2nd place Byron's 20 and his 54 pts was #1 on his team.

Tkachuk 49 pts was a distant 3rd place on the Flames.

Tkachuk for Gallagher even up? I wouldn't want the Flames to make that trade but Montreal would think long and hard before they pulled the trigger on that trade.

Sole purpose of this post IMO was to mention Byron's 20 goals for Flames fans.

[Heavy Jack]

Sign JT 7 x 11
Trade Brodie + Frolik + Kylington for Gallagher + Byron
Extend Tkachuk for 7 x 6.5
Promote Valimaki and Andersson
Trade Stone for picks
Buyout/find a team willing to take Brouwer 15% retained

Gaudreau - Tavares - Gallagher
Tkachuk - Monahan - Ferland
Byron - Backlund - Bennett
Lazar - Jankowski - Foo
Hathaway, Mangiapane

Giordano - Hamilton
Kulak - Hamonic
Valimaki - Andersson

Smith
Gillies

Don’t even know if salary works here but that’s a deep forward group

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

Sign JT 7 x 11
Trade Brodie + Frolik + Kylington for Gallagher + Byron
Extend Tkachuk for 7 x 6.5
Promote Valimaki and Andersson
Trade Stone for picks
Buyout/find a team willing to take Brouwer 15% retained

Gaudreau - Tavares - Gallagher
Tkachuk - Monahan - Ferland
Byron - Backlund - Bennett
Lazar - Jankowski - Foo
Hathaway, Mangiapane

Giordano - Hamilton
Kulak - Hamonic
Valimaki - Andersson

Smith
Gillies

Don’t even know if salary works here but that’s a deep forward group

Salary will be ok, Tkachuk's contract extension wouldn't kick in for a full year. As such we should also wait one full year more (ew) to buyout Brouwer as the penalty will be far less onerous and we don't need the cap space until then (especially if we're ditching Stone too)

Make it so!

[wretched34]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

Sign JT 7 x 11
Trade Brodie + Frolik + Kylington for Gallagher + Byron
Extend Tkachuk for 7 x 6.5
Promote Valimaki and Andersson
Trade Stone for picks
Buyout/find a team willing to take Brouwer 15% retained

Gaudreau - Tavares - Gallagher
Tkachuk - Monahan - Ferland
Byron - Backlund - Bennett
Lazar - Jankowski - Foo
Hathaway, Mangiapane

Giordano - Hamilton
Kulak - Hamonic
Valimaki - Andersson

Smith
Gillies

Don’t even know if salary works here but that’s a deep forward group

Who's gonna set up the plays on that second line?
You've got 3 triggermen playing together, and Ferland absolutely needs an elite playmaker to make him look like a top 6 forward. Monahan and Tkachuk are not that. Gaudreau had more assists last year than Monahan and Tkachuk combined.

I like the moves you made, and the players brought in, just need to tinker with the lines.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by wretched34

Who's gonna set up the plays on that second line?
You've got 3 triggermen playing together, and Ferland absolutely needs an elite playmaker to make him look like a top 6 forward. Monahan and Tkachuk are not that. Gaudreau had more assists last year than Monahan and Tkachuk combined.

I like the moves you made, and the players brought in, just need to tinker with the lines.

Tkachuk is an elite playmaker. Are we watching the same kid?

[Heavy Jack]

If we kept the Johnny/Mony pair together though and seperated Ferly that actually has a better mix:

Tkachuk (25) - Tavares (40) - Gallagher (35) - 100
Gaudreau (30) - Monahan (40) - Bennett (20) - 90
Byron (15) - Backlund (20) - Ferland (15) - 50
Lazar (10) - Jankowski (15) - Foo (10) - 35
Bracketed are potential goal totals per player and they don’t seem unrealistic.

That’s an insane mix of size, skill and grit through all 4 lines; that 4th line could put up some serious points versus most 4th lines and the top 6 is lethal. Biggest question would be the 3rd line in this mix as it’s kinda cut together but I think Backs bounces back and Ferly/Byron remain 20 goal guys.