[Signing] Oilers extend F Leon Draisaitl (8x$14M AAV)

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by looooob

yeah my bad, I had too many things open at once- it is 3 times by the same metric I'm applying to everyone. that is the seasons quant hockey is calling his 30, 32 and 34 year old seasons. sorry about the error

no worries, it was a good post

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by InternationalVillager

But that's not his role in Edmonton. The heavy lifting is done by McDrai, RNH, Bouchard, Ekholm, S. Skinner. In other places, he was expected to be one of the leaders at the front. Major difference.

Sorry, your saying J. Skinner is "not supposed to help them make the playoffs"?

What the hell is he there for, then?

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by looooob

yeah my bad, I had too many things open at once- it is 3 times by the same metric I'm applying to everyone. that is the seasons quant hockey is calling his 30, 32 and 34 year old seasons. sorry about the error

So you're saying that quant hockey is calling the year in which he is 29 at the outset of the season, and turns 30 about halfway through, his 30 year old season?

Obviously they skipped the masterclass in contract comprehension.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by InternationalVillager

I've said I think they are a better team with Skinner and Arvidsson and then also a full year of Henrique. These are good hockey players. I've followed each of them over their careers.

You can disagree with me all you want but they are a lock for a top seed for the playoffs and from there we pray that one of the VGK, DAL, COL can knock them out. I don't think any other team has a chance (in the west).

I don't believe you.

[SilverKast]

He's a star player and is going to get paid as such. I don't see any issue with that at all as he should be full value for most of the contract. Any team would be happy to pay him like this for what he brings.

The issue is what they do to fill out the rest of the roster after paying a few star players. If you can't supplement your stars with value signings and shrewd drafting you'll never win a cup. They all seem to think they've made some value signings this off season but only time will tell. Maybe it works out, maybe not but it's not like they have any other choice since they have almost zero prospects coming up that will make a difference within their window.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by SilverKast

He's a star player and is going to get paid as such. I don't see any issue with that at all as he should be full value for most of the contract. Any team would be happy to pay him like this for what he brings.

The issue is what they do to fill out the rest of the roster after paying a few star players. If you can't supplement your stars with value signings and shrewd drafting you'll never win a cup. They all seem to think they've made some value signings this off season but only time will tell. Maybe it works out, maybe not but it's not like they have any other choice since they have almost zero prospects coming up that will make a difference within their window.

Really? Draisaitl would have to be a major anomaly to be playing at the very top level post age 34. In 4-5 years, $14 million/year is still going to be a lot of money that only the very best players will get.

[InternationalVillager]

Originally Posted by IamNotKenKing

Sorry, your saying J. Skinner is "not supposed to help them make the playoffs"?

What the hell is he there for, then?

He's their 5th or 6th best player. He's not their 2nd or 3rd best.

Makes a huge difference.

Originally Posted by IamNotKenKing

I don't believe you.

Lmao what. Ok then. Weird take.

[InternationalVillager]

Flames fans would be upset if he hit UFA and we offered him a 7 year $14M AAV contract?

Would your reactions be the same?

It's market value.

Disregard the current lineup of the team.

This organization along with majority of the league would offer the same contract.

[SilverKast]

Originally Posted by blankall

Really? Draisaitl would have to be a major anomaly to be playing at the very top level post age 34. In 4-5 years, $14 million/year is still going to be a lot of money that only the very best players will get.

Unfortunately for us I'm of the opinion he will still be one of the top players when he's that age. I've always thought his game would age well, better than McDavid's even (although last playoffs may have changed my mind) as he isn't reliant on the blazing speed.

Won't matter though as I'm also of the opinion there aren't enough smart people up there to fill out the rest of the team effectively. They haven't proven otherwise for years and I haven't seen anything to suggest that will change.

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by InternationalVillager

I've said I think they are a better team with Skinner and Arvidsson and then also a full year of Henrique. These are good hockey players. I've followed each of them over their careers.

You can disagree with me all you want but they are a lock for a top seed for the playoffs and from there I pray that none of the VGK, DAL, COL can knock them out. I don't think any other team has a chance (in the west).

fyp

[Titan2]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

It's a 32 team league, getting to the finals isn't easy. Winning a Cup is even harder.

If you have to sacrifice 4 years at the back end of the deal you do it if you think it gives you 3 or 4 good looks at a championship. There really was no other option.

He wasn't good in the finals but his career playoff pace over 82 games is 45 goals and 120 points.

I was under the impression of 'you have to lose to learn to win'. I looked at the SCF for 19 years. The number of teams that lost in the SCF and went on to win it all is 4. FOUR. Of those, 2 lost in the SCF and won it 5, FIVE, years later so that may not even really count. Pittsburgh lost then won the next year (and won 7 & 8 years later as well). Florida lost then won the next year. That is it over 19 years. The idea the oylaz will be back in the finals is a pipe dream. 14 of 18 teams did not make it back to the final after losing in the final. Of the 19 losers only the Oilers (twice HaHa) and the Tampa Bay Lightning were losers more than once (twice after winning it twice in a row).

There are a lot of other teams out there. They are all trying to improve. As has been said a lot, the Oilers, at best, stayed even. I dont think this gives nearly enough credit to chemistry, juju, lighting in a bucket, or whatever it is that gets a team to the final but removing 6 players does not help to recreate whatever it was that got them there.

10 of the 19 cups were won by Penguins 3, Blackhawks 3, Kings 2, TBL 2.

Of the winning teams, only Boston made it back to a final after winning in 2011 but lost in 2013 and 2019 and TBL lost in 2022 after winning twice in 20 and 21.

It is obvious why the muliple winners won. Now overlay their star's ages with when they won.

That the Oilers got there was a miracle. That they will get there again, in the next two years, with their two stars at post-apex, and minimal supporting cast, is fanciful at best.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by InternationalVillager

He's their 5th or 6th best player. He's not their 2nd or 3rd best.

Come again?

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by InternationalVillager

Flames fans would be upset if he hit UFA and we offered him a 7 year $14M AAV contract?

Would your reactions be the same?

It's market value.

Disregard the current lineup of the team.

This organization along with majority of the league would offer the same contract.

The majority of the league gives guys in their 30s 8 year deals and regrets them

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by InternationalVillager

He's their 5th or 6th best player. He's not their 2nd or 3rd best.

Makes a huge difference.



Lmao what. Ok then. Weird take.

They better hope not lol

[InternationalVillager]

Originally Posted by dino7c

They better hope not lol

1. McDavid
2. Draisaitl
3. Hyman
4. RNH
5. Bouchard
6. Arvidsson
7. Ekholm
8/9. J. Skinner/Kane

Sorry maybe 8th best. Take out the 2 dmen, it's 6th best forward.

[Enoch Root]

I am not sure if that is a worse indictment of your player evaluation skills, or of the Oiler's lack of depth.

Maybe both

[Enoch Root]

it is also hilarious that a fan would rank a recently-bought-out player higher than their $9.25M defenseman.

[InternationalVillager]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

it is also hilarious that a fan would rank a recently-bought-out player higher than their $9.25M defenseman.

The MVP on the Oilers back end is Ekholm. That's the man that holds everything together. If he gets injured for an extended period of time, that's curtains for that team. They only really turned it around after they acquired him....a player built in the Nashville system......like Arvidsson.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by InternationalVillager

1. McDavid
2. Draisaitl
3. Hyman
4. RNH
5. Bouchard
6. Arvidsson
7. Ekholm
8/9. J. Skinner/Kane

Sorry maybe 8th best. Take out the 2 dmen, it's 6th best forward.

This sort of shows that the Oilers really have a derpth issue. The 6th and 7th forwards are a buyout and a player they are hoping spends the season on LTIR. the players after them are collecting a pension.

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by InternationalVillager

The MVP on the Oilers back end is Ekholm. That's the man that holds everything together. If he gets injured for an extended period of time, that's curtains for that team. They only really turned it around after they acquired him....a player built in the Nashville system......like Arvidsson.

Yes
Arvidsson should be good for them, both weeks worth of games he plays