01-21-2024, 05:34 PM
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#61
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Crash and Bang Winger
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I fear he may be one of those involved in the Team Canada events. I had feared it for a while now. Still only speculation but if he is connected he could be having mental health concerns thinking about jail time. Even if he wasn’t involved that would be a thought going through all those players heads even if they were guilty through association and not directly connected with their actions on that night.
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01-21-2024, 05:56 PM
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#62
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Franchise Player
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Hope Dubes gets the help he needs. Read some post some jerk wrote about how there "must be something in the water" with multiple payers taking time off for mental health issues. I see it as the opposite. Good on the Flames organization for creating an environment where players can bring this issue to the organization and have the support they need.
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01-21-2024, 05:57 PM
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#63
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Badgers Nose
It makes sense. That Team Canada thing must be a huge distraction and cause of stress. Lots of speculation and uncertainty and it just drags on and on.
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That’s what I figured it was about. Not sure why it’s taking so long. Even for players that weren’t involved it must be a big weight.
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01-21-2024, 06:10 PM
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#64
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Huntingwhale
Hope Dubes gets the help he needs. Read some post some jerk wrote about how there "must be something in the water" with multiple payers taking time off for mental health issues. I see it as the opposite. Good on the Flames organization for creating an environment where players can bring this issue to the organization and have the support they need.
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I agree, though I'm torn whether or not seeking help for mental health should be made public. There is still a stigma towards mental health and I don't want people to be too shy to come forward to get help. But maybe it being public will make it better in the long run for kids (knowing their heroes sought help).
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01-21-2024, 06:15 PM
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#65
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2021
Location: Richmond upon Thames, London
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Huntingwhale
Hope Dubes gets the help he needs. Read some post some jerk wrote about how there "must be something in the water" with multiple payers taking time off for mental health issues. I see it as the opposite. Good on the Flames organization for creating an environment where players can bring this issue to the organization and have the support they need.
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Oh ffs..
Other organizations need to follow in the Flames footsteps in this regard. They're setting a great example and dissolving the stigma as it pertains to mental health and sports by treating mental health issues the same as a physical injury that needs care and rehabbing.
Interesting how in Alberta you have two teams showcasing opposite qualities with how they've run their organizations. Proud to be on this side of the fence with the quality of people and decisions being made.
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01-21-2024, 06:28 PM
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#66
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: I'm somewhere where I don't know where I am
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Huntingwhale
Hope Dubes gets the help he needs. Read some post some jerk wrote about how there "must be something in the water" with multiple payers taking time off for mental health issues. I see it as the opposite. Good on the Flames organization for creating an environment where players can bring this issue to the organization and have the support they need.
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The magnitude of the stupidity is staggering
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01-21-2024, 09:46 PM
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#67
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Oh I assume this is just the Flames clearing cap space and he'll recover for game one of the playoffs
...or is that just something we get to assume every time someone from another team goes on player assistance or reports an injury?
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01-21-2024, 09:50 PM
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#68
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2021
Location: Richmond upon Thames, London
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Originally Posted by Fan in Exile
Oh I assume this is just the Flames clearing cap space and he'll recover for game one of the playoffs
...or is that just something we get to assume every time someone from another team goes on player assistance or reports an injury?
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..no wonder you were put in exile.
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01-21-2024, 10:20 PM
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#69
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Cowtown
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Originally Posted by Fan in Exile
Oh I assume this is just the Flames clearing cap space and he'll recover for game one of the playoffs
...or is that just something we get to assume every time someone from another team goes on player assistance or reports an injury?
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That strategy only works with good players
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Eakins wasn't a bad coach, the team just had 2 bad years, they should've been more patient.
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01-21-2024, 10:22 PM
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#70
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Farm Team Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
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Strange how news like this brings out the best in some people and the worst in others. I hope he’s ok and gets the help he needs.
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01-22-2024, 04:12 AM
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#71
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Scoring Winger
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Best wishes to Dube.
He has been awful this year on the ice, and I doubt he'd disagree with that. He's paid to produce and he hasn't been able to do that. The on-ice struggles, as well as any potential ramifications from the London incident, are obviously weighing on him.
Of course, there could be more going on in his personal life.
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01-22-2024, 04:14 AM
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Scoring Winger
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As for any suggestions the players give a crap about what's posted on these boards, come on. I'd be very surprised athletes who are mentally strong enough to make the NHL care about John Smith's opinion of their play.
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01-22-2024, 06:24 AM
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by cam_calderon
Best wishes to Dube.
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Fixed your post.
Just be supportive, or don’t and say nothing.
Wishing the guy well to say in the very next sentence ‘he’s been awful this year’ doesn’t really come across as sincere, does it?
Would you say that to a family member or friend? ‘Hey man, good to see you’ve taken the important step to getting some help because I’ve really noticed that you’ve really been dog sh*t lately. I keep hearing that your work has plummeted and frankly it’s a surprise they continue to pay you. Oh, and that police investigation, that’s got to be worrisome, no? Anyway, chin up pal’.
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01-22-2024, 06:39 AM
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Scoring Winger
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Dube is paid to produce points as a forward on an NHL team. He has 7 points this year, adjusted to 13 points over an 82-game season. This is professional sport, not beer league Monday night hockey.
He could be the nicest guy in the world, I don't know. I've read multiple times he has taken new members of the squad under his wing and welcomed them to the city, I commend him for this. He's had the courage to admit he has a problem, again this is praiseworthy and I can empathise with mental health struggles.
If he's not putting up points, however, I will acknowledge that as it's what he is paid millions of dollars to do. Your 'say something nice or don't say anything at all' logic is preposterous.
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01-22-2024, 06:41 AM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Originally Posted by cam_calderon
As for any suggestions the players give a crap about what's posted on these boards, come on. I'd be very surprised athletes who are mentally strong enough to make the NHL care about John Smith's opinion of their play.
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You’d be wrong. Of course pro athletes care about what people think. And who knows how “mentally strong” anyone else is? And it’s not just them. Their parents, their kids and other relatives read this board.
No one is saying “don’t be critical”. But there’s a lot of “X is garbage”, “get rid of X”, comments around here. Plus the speculation about players’ activities. And there’s a time and place for the criticism. This isn’t the “How’s Dube been playing” thread.
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01-22-2024, 06:49 AM
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#76
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Scoring Winger
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Originally Posted by GioforPM
You’d be wrong. Of course pro athletes care about what people think. And who knows how “mentally strong” anyone else is? And it’s not just them. Their parents, their kids and other relatives read this board.
No one is saying “don’t be critical”. But there’s a lot of “X is garbage”, “get rid of X”, comments around here. Plus the speculation about players’ activities. And there’s a time and place for the criticism. This isn’t the “How’s Dube been playing” thread.
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As I said, to toil through the junior ranks and CHL, AHL, Europe etc, unless you're a bona fide star from day dot like a Bedard, takes a hell of a lot of resiliency. Some mean words on a forum from an anonymous avatar do not affect these guys - or, at least, they shouldn't.
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Last edited by cam_calderon; 01-22-2024 at 06:54 AM.
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01-22-2024, 07:00 AM
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#78
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by cam_calderon
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Hope you’re not suggesting the Calgary Sun is the litmus test for proper behaviour. Yikes.
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01-22-2024, 07:03 AM
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#79
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Scoring Winger
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Originally Posted by TOfan
Hope you’re not suggesting the Calgary Sun is the litmus test for proper behaviour. Yikes.
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I certainly am not. But in contrast to our little corner of the internet here on CP, the Sun is a prominent paper and there's no way Brouwer didn't see that headline and article. And he moved on, because media criticism is a part of being a pro in the NHL.
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01-22-2024, 07:12 AM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Originally Posted by cam_calderon
As I said, to toil through the junior ranks and CHL, AHL, Europe etc, unless you're a bona fide star from day dot like a Bedard, takes a hell of a lot of resiliency. Some mean words on a forum from an anonymous avatar do not affect these guys - or, at least, they shouldn't.
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“He’s gotta be tough to have made the NHL so I can say whatever I want”. meanwhile there’s such a thing as a Players Assistance Program.
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